At 10:17 PM 9/14/99 +0530, you wrote:
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>From: Sasha Claire McInnes <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:04 PM
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>>I really must get off this list - would the owners please unsub me?
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>>It is very dispiriting, alarming and enraging to wake up every morning to
>>all the medical-model stuff you folks are promoting.
>>
>>I agree with Mary Pat, in the context in which she responded, and believe
>>that what Sanjay is promoting can be felt or viewed, by some, as blame the
>>victim. I'm not however, convinced that this is what he meant to do and
>>believe Mary Pat might have misunderstood where he was going with this
>>"wellness" model.
>>
>>What I hear Sanjay saying is that there are alternatives to the medical
>>model and that we would do well to explore them. I am in support of this.
>>
sure- if this is what hes saying.
>>Mary Pat mentions "schizophrenia" in the same context as aids, implying
>>that it is a *medical* problem. Scratch the surface of the majority of
>>individuals with this label and you'll find a history of abuse. To
>>pathologize and medicalize individuals labelled thus is, in my view, more
>>blame the victim and not an ethical approach to treatment for those who've
>>endured abuse. Of course, it's an easy "fix" and very lucrative for
>>psychiatrists and drug companies and if we continue down this road,
>>governments will - as in the case in the US - pay only for treatment if it
>>includes drugs. Do we want to go *there*?
>>
Well... that and treatment for schizophrenia is a lot more effective when
you use drugs, often helping to return them to a much more "normal" state
of functioning. While rallying against the "medical model" you commit a
cartesian dualism separating the mind and body; nature and nurture. We all
know that its much more popular now to talk about interactions. Likewise,
I'm sure the majority of individuals on this list aren't interested in a
debate regarding the origins of schizophrenia, but I'd be wary of any
individuals claiming that it takes x number of generations to make a
schizophrenic, or any single factor like abuse plays such an all-important
role, etc...
>>This is in reply to sasha's message
>As you correctly envisaged I am not for blaming the victim .What I would
>like to say is that self help is the best help and if flower remedies give
>us stimulus for change why not.It is also true that ultimate health
>responsibility lies with individual but after he is absolved of mental
>agonies which can be done by flower remedies.After this would come the state
>of consciously changing mental attitude without medicines.
>sanjay .
>
Sanjay, what exactly are these consciousness-altering, mental agony
absolving "Flower Remedies" you speak of? Can they be imported legally? Is
it prozac? *smirk* Can you explain what you mean by this a little more for
the folks at home? Would you "prescribe" these for any one with any
illness, for instance, and infant with aids?
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