It certainly boggles the mind that erudite, intelligent and stimulating
individuals cannot find the means to be thought provoking and insightful
without also demeaning the opinions of others.

Isn't social justice about valuing how others fell / think? Several emails
have expressed that this is how they felt. I think we should all value that
feedback.

An interesting commentary that expressing yourself in a way that doesn't
judge or demean others is interpreted as siliencing debate and the exchange
of ideas. I just thought it meant that you should challenge / provode and
exchange ideas in a way that is respectful. Sorry to see that it is so
contentious.

Annamaria

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vini K.Dhillon" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: respect on the listserv


> "Get real" indeed!!!
>
> I have read the numerous responses back and forth in reply to the comments
> made by Dennis, and I cannot believe how conservative and ultra-sensitive
> people can be to some eye opening, matter-of-fact remarks!!!
>
> How were the comments "ridiculing"? (I have read the reply from Dennis
> numerous times and I cannot see the "ridicule" nor the "rudeness" in it. I
> think it is very healthy to question ourselves and others (especially on
this
> listserv!!) and start thinking OUTSIDE of the box that many of us have
become
> so accustomed to feeling comfortable/protected in (ie. the "lifestyle"
track)
>
> Yes, Annamaria, you are absolutely right when you say, "...it is a public
and
> valuable forum for an open exchange of ideas."  Why then, is everyone so
riled
> up about someone openly exchanging their ideas??
> When we don't like what we hear, we tell people to "keep silent/keep those
> comments to yourself" (as Karen Andres suggested in an earlier response)
????
> I am sorry, but I don't follow!?!
>
> I know that many of our valued health public health/health promotion
> colleagues are well concerned with areas such as promoting proper
> diet/nutrition and getting lots of exercise. Does that include EXERCISING
our
> minds too??
>
> I think it is quite sad that some of us cannot tolerate a little challenge
and
> thought provoking now and then. Oh how dull life must be!
>
> Have an insightful day!
>
> Vini K. Dhillon
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Annamaria Feltracco <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > With all due respect (no pun intended) - get real!
> >
> > On what planet is being respectful and non-judgmental (even of those of
us
> > who drive SUVs - and by the way live in the country and need the 4 X4
option
> > for our rural, underserviced, ignored roads) an impediment to
challenging,
> > forthright discussions and careful examination of our work????
> >
> > This list serv is NOT a family discussion around the kitchen table - it
is a
> > public and valuable forum for an open exchange of ideas - I wonder how
> > willing our valued colleagues are going to be to ask questions on this
list
> > serv when they know that they can be ridiculed (yes, that's what it was)
for
> > their ideas / work??? We all have facilitated groups, coalitions and
> > meetings where we encourage a free flow of thoughts and ideas and that
while
> > you may not agree with an individual's opinion, it does not make that
> > opinion any less valuable.
> >
> > There are certainly MANY other ways someone as gifted as you, Dennis,
could
> > have expressed your opinion and challenged the approach while not
passing
> > your own personal judgement on someone's work.
> >
> > This exchange has impeded the very causes that you champion, Dennis, not
> > enhanced it.
> >
> > Annamaria Feltracco
>

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