Hi Dennis,
I'm not sure where you saw the message from John Davies (we seem to have a
few listservs crossing over, here), but I originally passed your note on to
a social marketing listserv I belong to. (Every list needs a little
controversy thrown at it once in a while.) John Davies is part of that
listserv. I'm not sure where the heart health listserv came into it.
Diana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Raphael" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:44 AM
Subject: Metaphors
quoting dennis r: > Click for Hpers may wish to note that I am responding
to a posting on the
> Ontario heart health list-serve through this listserve as such views are
not
> countenced on that particular listserve! see below!
>
.
>
> From: "John Davies" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 3:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Behaviour change - a questionable approach
>
>
> > Dennis Raphael's discourse, below, is unsatisfying because it uses
> several
> > hundred words to tell us that social determinants of health are
> important,
> > and that life style interventions recommended by government agencies
> are
> > less than perfect. Unfortunately, his recitation of this well known
> > information fails to add anything to the discussion - in Canada or
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > He uses an inappropriate religious metaphor to sarcastically
> denigrate a
> > good outcome - healthy life style - in an apparent attempt to make
> it the
> > enemy of another good outcome - improved socio-economic status. He
> tells us
> > that behavioral change may be of questionable effectiveness, but he
> does not
> > tell us what may be effective. Instead. his conclusion seems to be
> that a
> > bad life style is not good, while such things as poverty and social
> > exclusion are even worse. This is not very edifying stuff.
> >
> > >From the same evidence we might arrive at a different and more
> useful
> > conclusion, namely that adequate diet, less smoke and adequate
> exercise are
> > really quite useful, but that public healthers should work harder to
> find
> > and use more cost-effective methods of helping individuals and
> groups to
> > adopt such behaviors. In other words, it is better for individuals
> to do
> > something of proven value, such as improving their own life style,
> rather
> > than waiting, perhaps forever, for some other agent - such as the
> > government? - to improve the socio-economic status of their group.
> >
> > John Davies,
> > email: [log in to unmask]
> > Website: www.johndavies.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Diana Daghofer
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 6:55 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Behaviour change - a questionable approach
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I recently attended a conference on the social determinants of
> health and am
> > getting some interesting feedback as a result of joining a listserv
> on
> > health promotion (Click4HP). I would be interested in hearing
> people's
> > views on the following note.
> >
> > Diana
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
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