Well Octavio disagreement,

That´s exactly what Chrystal point out in her first
mail and myself agreement. 
All Christmas time is jouyous time, I enjoy it too!!
for God sake.
What we disagree is how the market world want
everybody see Christmas as they want it.
No my body, not me, I stay with Chrystal point of
view.

Ricardo.
--- Otavio Silva <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>     I disagree!
>       I have worked for a long time in rural poor 
> comunities in Brazil, both with indigenous people
> inside the jungle and  with catholic people in the
> "caatinga" (brazilian savanah) and nowadays  a work
> in a slum in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil´s second biggest
> city.
>       I love the holidays and what it means and I
> use it  to make related people come closer with a
> lot of sucess, no matter they  income!
>       What I hate is the way the big media "sells"
> the  holidays - what is something very different of
> the holliday itself...
>       Otavio
> 
> Ricardo Augusto Barreto Abad
> <[log in to unmask]> escreveu:  Chrystal, I
> agree with you 100%.
> Actually I share my life with 200 people at a very
> rural community with extreme poverty conditions.
> Just
> last Tuesday, a 16 years old girl give birth a
> beatifull girl within this poor community, she
> fortunatly have the assistance of a mattress very
> experience.
> But see, how come we can engage with the rest or the
> majoritie or with this next Christmas hollidays if
> we
> have weak life style, almost or so close to death
> that
> as a catholic as I am, is hard to celebrate
> hollidays.
> We will celebrate but praying, doing talk between we
> all, doing rememberance of this Jesus coming to
> earth.
> His mission and his misterys.
> We will not have dances or huge meals, we only come
> together as a community with similarities conditions
> for life.
> I was raise on the city, but faster than anything I
> learned that living with this people and bringing
> some
> hope to better days is a more significant way to
> give
> health services. I do community development, at
> Panama, centralamerica.
> Ricardo.
> 
> 
> --- Chrystal Ocean  wrote:
> 
> > I hate the holidays. So does anyone I know who
> lives
> > in poverty, including
> > the children, who are torn by the tension produced
> > from the excitement of
> > their peers, advertisers' unrelenting hype and
> > trying to accept their
> > circumstances and be supportive family members.
> > 
> > As a single woman living in poverty in a rural
> > community, what I dislike the
> > most are the assumptions:
> > - that everyone celebrates something at this time
> of
> > year,
> > - that everyone wants to receive gifts, regardless
> > of whether they celebrate
> > something at this time of year,
> > - that everyone should give gifts, regardless of
> > whether they celebrate
> > something at this time of year,
> > - that everyone should 'do something' to
> celebrate,
> > regardless of whether
> > they celebrate something at this time of year,
> > - that everyone can get around at this time of
> year
> > regardless of the 
> > transit system going on holiday.
> > 
> > What makes it really hard is the deadening. It's
> as
> > though small communities
> > like mine, over the course of the holiday frenzy,
> > have sucked themselves dry
> > and stopped breathing. All stores and offices
> close
> > for at least three days
> > and some for two weeks, the sounds of human
> industry
> > fall silent. It's like
> > everyone, the community itself (including Internet
> > communities), dies or
> > goes away. And so those left behind, the ones who
> > don't or can't play the
> > holiday game, feel the stamp of 'outsider' that
> much
> > more starkly.
> > 
> > Ocean, WISE Coordinator
> > http://www.wise-bc.org/
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