nicely said -- both Marie and Julie -- if we get distracted by
overly-cautious 'e-mail etiquette' we lose sight of the challenges being
presented to us here -- and they are challenges that our field needs to grab
hold of it is to have any serious impact on health.
Robb Travers, Ph.D (c)
Research Associate,
HIV/AIDS Social Research Group
KTH 208, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON
905 977-7622
Research Affiliate,
HIV Social, Behavioural & Epidemiological Studies Unit,
Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto,
Toronto, ON
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From: "Julie Hill" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: February 5, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: respect on the listserv
> I agree with Marie (and Robb et al..) that we need to continuously
> scrutinize our work (and that of our peers) and ask the hard questions
> about it to make sure that we are truly serving "the public good", not
only
> the needs of our own professions/areas of interest. I have followed these
> "respect on the listserve" conversations with great interest, as it is in
> this challenging of assumptions that great learning can come about.
>
> (John Ralston Saul explained this concept very well in his talk to the
> Ontario Public Health Association Conference in November--I believe he
> discusses this notion of serving "the public good" in his latest book.)
>
> Julie Hill, RN, BScN
> Youth Health Team
> Family and Community Resources Division
> Region of Waterloo Public Health
> 99 Regina St. S. Waterloo, ON N2J 4V3
> (519) 883-2003 Extension 5763 Fax: (519) 883-2241
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>
>
> Marie Klaassen
> <mklaasse@TORONTO To: [log in to unmask]
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> Sent by: Health Fax to:
> Promotion on the Subject: Re: respect on
the listserv
> Internet
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> 02/05/2003 01:29
> PM
> Please respond to
> Health Promotion
> on the Internet
>
>
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>
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>
> I do, at times, pine for the days when we could all debate and let strong
> and heated opinions fly around in the hopes that we might move one another
> to new places in our thinking. It makes me sad to note that, as a
culture,
> we all seem much more delicate and protective of our own piece of the pie
> and this hampers our collective efforts to alter the systems in which we
> work, and push for improvements in the health of the communities we serve.
>
> When our defenses kick into gear over a statement or a response, it is
> vitally important to ask ourselves why? and answer that question honestly.
> If the answer is only because someone's passionate response came across as
> rude - look past that to make sure you're not missing important content,
> and move on!
>
> I, personally, look forward to the debates that are posted on this site
> because true exchange of ideas if often absent from so many other sectors
> of our lives.
>
>
> ______________________________
> Marie Klaassen
> Health Education Consultant
> Planning and Policy
> Toronto Public Health
>
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> fax: 416-338-0921
> phone: 416-338-0954
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 02/05/03 12:26pm >>>
> I wonder on this listserv if people confuse "challenges" to the mainstream
> way of "doing" health promotion for rudeness. We all know (or we should)
> that health is a highly political and ideological field. Debate is going
> to
> be charged and heated at times. This listserv won't advance ideas about
> health -- or health for that matter -- without debate. saying "I don't
> disagree with you", or "there is no evidence to support such programs" or
> that something is "ideological" is not rude..... it is simply disagreeing
> with a dominant paradigm in health promotion. I read these kinds of
> postings as challenging us to listen and pay attention to new evidence
> which
> is showing there are bigger fish to fry than smokers. that's rude?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Andres" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: February 5, 2003 11:22 AM
> Subject: respect on the listserv
>
>
> > Dennis
> > It is important that we feel passionate about our work and our ideas. I
> > agreed with one of the postings that this listserv is not about sternly
> and
> > tersely chastisng other people's ideas. By doing so, presents a
superior
> > type of attitude which is not what this listserv is about. Health
> > promotion and population health is about reducing inequity not
increasing
> > it. I think if you strongly disagree with a posting, rather than rudely
> > commenting on this listserv, that you keep those kind of comments silent
> or
> > share them off this listserv.
> > I agree that some of the information you post is useful. The
> inappropriate
> > and rude comments are unnecessary. This listserv is used by many people
> > and should be a respectful place to post ideas, questions and comments.
> At
> > times, Dennis, your comments are not respectful at all. Again, I remind
> > you of the concepts of Health Promotion is about social justice and
> > reducing social inequity. This listserv is not your personal sounding
> > board of ideas and opinions. If you cannot be respectful to others in
> > your postings, please do not post them in a public forum.
> > Karen
> >
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