Hi all,
are folks on this list aware of the US group called "community-campus partnerships for health" (ccph). definately worth a google.
ken
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From: Social Determinants of Health on behalf of Bill Braun
Sent: Thu 5/25/2006 1:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [SDOH] Brokering university knowledge to community agencies
Greta, you've simply tilted the same distance in the opposite direction. Your understanding of higher education is as flawed as Gail's, just a different array of flaws.
This is a good opportunity to practice inquiry - righteous indignation may feel good but will produce far more heat than light.
Gail, tell us more about your point of view. How did you come to see it the way you do. Upon some reflection, are there examples of fruitful collaborations that may serve as models for what you advocate?
Bill Braun
GRETA DOUCET wrote:
As you did, Crystal, I attended University, And I am flabbergasted by the comments made by Gail. I hope and believe she read that somewhere. I kind of hope she does not believe it!!!I.... It is a very snobbish, intellectuallistic, elitist, non-sensical statement.
Instead I strongly believe that 'real information' comes from wise folks of any race, gender, creed or formal education level. True wisdom is not often found in books nor in research. Sometimes research proves what many already know. I agree that may be useful. for the many who are not wise. From what I have seen, heard and witnessed, some University folks, who have learned a lot of fancy words, grab on to knowledge (Wisdom) and make it fancy with all kinds on non-understandable 'lingo' and numbers. I may be exagerating to make the point. But I'm sure some of you get my message.
Gail, I know you are still a student in the 'formal system'.... So am I .... Let's not let our studies get to 'our head'... It happens to me sometimes too. Let's not forget to go listen to the fishermen and to the farmers who do not have many degrees but they sure can get a person get down to earth through their wise words. There's lots of wise 'not formally educated' people. Greta
Chrystal Ocean <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Oh, I can understand Veli's diagram, and Gail Richardson's reply on the same
subject. What I can't understand is the message, which has left me stunned.
Here is Veli's diagram, translated into an email format that is easier to read:
1. Direction is bottom-up: a) Community has a problem/issue, then b)
Coordinator/liaison takes problem and works with University to develop
research, then c) University does targeted research.
2. Direction is top-down: a) University disseminates research findings to
Coordinator/Liaison, then b) Coordinator Liaison interprets and transforms
research into useable info and markets the info to community, then c)
Community uses the knowledge to better the community related the issue.
And here is the introductory paragraph from Gail's post:
"Universities are creators and keepers of knowledge, some of it based on, or
relevant to, the community. Ideally the community uses the information to
inform activities and take actions. Most communities (unless they have
members trained in research from the Universities) are unable to produce
quality research. Most are unable to critically appraise research." [The
rest continues within the same theme.]
So, is it just me? Or do others see something terribly wrong with this picture?
Ocean
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