Hi All,
I am beginning to find the absolutist tone in this debate tendentious. The people who designed the gas chambers and the railway lines were part of a collective that included the guards and killers who did the work too - nice, community people all of them. When aboriginal inhabitants of Australia, Canada and the US were being killed by poisoned wells and blankets and given alcohol, was it the work of blind scientists or community cunning ? On the other hand, when second rate academics developed their theories of social Darwinism to justify such behaviour, was this the work of community people or blind scientists ? When bad people (academics and community members together)do bad stuff, all it proves is that they need each other. When good people (academics and community members together)do good stuff, all it proves is they need each other.
The viewpoint that makes community members on the one hand, or scientists/academics on the other mere placeholders for "social forces", "hierarchies of power" and "cultures of power" is far more inhuman that attempts to establish practical relationships between the two - however naive. If we let our prejudices about power reduce us to placeholders, let's stop all anti-smoking advertisements, cummunity based quit programs and nicotine replacement therapies right now - after all they were prepared by isolated, advertising/social marketing cosmopolitan types, often briefed by academics (certainly that's the case here)usually based on social and other forms of research on hapless citizens. To be a little blunter than Bill, with whom I agree wholeheartedly, repeating cliches about knowledge being power begs the question - so, if it is, then what the hell are you going to do with it, together. Or as Theresa said "The challenge is for all of us, community based or university based, to find the hybrid that carries the best of both worlds". Let's hear it for hybrids.
I am not an academic, by the way
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From: Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
Chrystal Ocean
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 4:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [SDOH] Brokering university knowledge to community agencies
Veli, I meant no disrespect and understood your diagram to be linear, as you
have stated. In reformatting it, I considered using 'left to right' and
'right to left'. Substitute those if you like, in place of 'bottom-up' and
'top-down'. My concern remains the same. --Ocean
On Thu, 25 May 2006 13:28:03 -0400, Veli-Martti Rautio
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>Hey guys-
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>The explanation of the model is correct except for your interpretation as
top-down and bottom-up- that is very incorrect. This is a linear model on a
horizontal platform that does not have a hierarchy in place. I have NOT
implied there is more or less importance of information at any point in this
transfer of knowledge.
>In the future, please state completely what your problem is with any of the
postings and not hedge around. Thank You :)
>
>Yours in health,
>
>Veli Rautio
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