There may be other ways to get there, but removing the "3D" from each YouTube address Kent sent will get you where you need to go. So if you now click on these revised links you will see: The snippet of my paper... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mLTPMCu5SU Mark Dawidziak's links... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za9vvI7ia4w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAwH-TsB5qs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yW2LunVaZQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB9zys6zu4w And as you've seen from Prof. Bird's post, the words of the immortal Hal Holbrook... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIvqdPC_rYU Mark, Mr. Holbrook should use you as his opening act all the time. It gets the crowd going, sure nuff. Alex Mr. Alex B. Effgen, M.A. Boston University