I disagree-I think that on a listserv meant for sharing resources and ideas, it is essential that we give rationale and explain the intent of our requests.
How else do we share meaningful information, and learn from one another?
If we explain fully, then others won't need to make assumptions about approaches/resources.
Bronwen Williams, RD
Public Health Dietitian
Healthy Lifestyles
Toronto Public Health
399 The West Mall
Toronto, Ontario M9C 2Y2
Tel. (416) 338-1783
Fax. (416) 338-1780
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Very well stated. It is unfortunate that on a listserv that is meant as a resouce for sharing that one must quantify their rationale and explain the intent of their request.
Francine Marzanek B.Sc.,B.Ed.
Health Promoter
Brant County Health Unit
(519) 753- 4937, ext. 246
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Thank you Jacquie for adding to my request rather than negating it.
We are very interested in resources that give some information on
the harm associated with smoke (not "anti-smoking songs"), but it
would be great to find a resource that ties this message in with
respect for the environment and others, or other health concerns as
well. Our intent was to determine what resources had already been
developed for this age group, whether they would be appropriate for
our intended use, or whether there would be a need to develop a
new resource.
Dennis, I appreciate your contributions to the listserve on social
determinants of health and agree with many of your arguments.
However, I do not appreciate your personal attacks on resource
requests posted to the listserve and the assumptions you have
made about what messages/approaches will be used.
Lisa
Date sent: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:46:03 -0500
From: Jacquie Poitras <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [heart-l] Resources for Preschoolers
> What about an even more radical approach: teaching all children to respect
> each other's diversity of life experiences while also teaching some
> respect for the environment? I guess concrete playgrounds aren't
> necessarily conducive to this radical approach. . .
>
> A focus on the environment (air, water, earth) could include some elements
> of smoking awareness. Learning that the air a smoker puffs out is the
> same air that the child breathes in might help the children (and their
> parents) to connect a personal habit with social repercussions. Maybe
> Robb's ideas to connect social determinants could be taught in
> tandem--learning to have respect for others is a good start.
>
> Jacquie Poitras
>
> --- Robb Travers <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Why focus on smoking?
> My
> concern is that children from families who are
> > more likely to smoke(working class, poor, etc.) will be stigmatized by
> > middle class kids. What about a song targetting middle-class parents
> > who drive SUVs and unnecessarily pollute the air we all breathe?
> >
> > Robb Travers, Ph.D (c)
> > Research Associate,
> > HIV/AIDS Social Research Group
> > KTH 208, McMaster University,
> > Hamilton, ON
> > 905 977-7622
> >
> > Research Affiliate,
> > HIV Social, Behavioural & Epidemiological Studies Unit,
> > Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto,
> > Toronto, ON
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Raphael" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: February 4, 2003 12:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [heart-l] Resources for Preschoolers
> >
> >
> > > Health promoters may be interested in the following exchange!
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > I strongly object to this strategy.
> > >
> > > First of all it is not child care's role to turn children against
> > > their
> > parents
> > > or relatives who may be smokers.
> > >
> > > Secondly, childcare should not be a place where children become
> > > exposed to politicized messages. If my kid came home from childcare
> > > singing
> > anti-smoking
> > > songs the childcare would hear about it.
> > >
> > > Thirdly, our family does not smoke!
> > >
> > > Give these kids a break!!!
> > >
> > > dennis raphael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Lisa Robinson" <[log in to unmask]>@list.web.net on
> > > 02/04/2003 11:24:37 AM
> > >
> > > Please respond to [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent by: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > cc: (bcc: Dennis Raphael/Atkinson)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Subject: [heart-l] Resources for Preschoolers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our Tobacco Working Group is looking for a simple resource
> > > (book, song,etc.) that can be used in daycares for children ages 1 to
> > > 3 years old that incorporates a tobacco prevention message. Has anyone
> > > used a resource with this age group they found to be effective? You
> > > can reply to me directly at [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Lisa
> > >
> > > Lisa Robinson
> > > HKPR District Health Unit
> > > Lindsay, ON
> > > 705-324-3569
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