I'm glad someone from the boat answered!

And I agree, people generally misunderstand, or at least aren't  
willing to face the impacts they have on the world.

Cars would not be a morally/socially viable option if people were more  
responsible in terms of their actions.

Individualism gone mad I tell you! Mad!

I once read a paper stating that public health education should also  
target the aforementioned fat cats, and not just those 'at risk.'

I tend to agree there too.

I've spent many a holiday season berating family members on their  
habits, and surprisingly, some have bought transit passes (and  
actually use them), and some now even try to buy as much local food as  
is possible or tolerable to them.

Every bit counts!

CQ

Quoting Michael MacDonald <[log in to unmask]>:

> I don't believe it's a case of "Blame" -- at least I don't see it as
> 'blame'.
>
> I see it more as an opportunity.
>
> It can be difficult for individuals to make healthy choices when the systems
> around them create an environment where access to knowledge is not
> equitable, or where one is faced with challenges that don't exist within
> other community groups.
>
> How I've come to see these debates is that they are simply discussions on
> how to systematically engineer equitable access for all parties to the
> knowledge and systems to make healthier choices.  This means constructing
> healthcare facilities in accessible locales, providing health education
> broadly, distributing income in a manner that facilitates access to
> healthcare, etc...
>
> Just my 2.5 cents.
>
> Michael
>
> ps:  sometimes the behaviours (or lack of action) of certain people on the
> boat can directly contribute to the welfare of others on the boat.  We need
> to ensure that all those on deck are aware of their impact on each other.
> Right now -- I'm not convinced that everyone understands their personal
> impact on their neighbour, just like those in upscale neighbourhoods are
> oblivious to their impact on those in 'ghettos'.
>
>
> On 26/07/07, Carlos Quinonez <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> I would argue that one can't simply blame society, which appears to be
>> the tendency amongst advocacy stakeholders.
>>
>> Blame sucks.
>>
>> Yet I agree, there really is no fundamental cause for anything, it is
>> a (un)natural complex of events and states that results in any given
>> outcome, some are just more probable and predictable than others.
>>
>> So food and exercise policies may be a good way to structurally impact
>> health deterring behaviours, whereas education and social marketing
>> may be a good way to individually impact populations.
>>
>> And blame lays at every level and in everyone's hands.
>>
>> We're on a boat, all of us together, and if people die on the boat, it
>> has to do with them, the weather, and the accomodations on the boat,
>> and suffice it to say, it is in EVERYONE's best interest that the boat
>> remain afloat!
>>
>> CQ
>>
>> Quoting Dennis Raphael <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> > I think the point is that many public health researchers will look for
>> > anything that can take the place of considering "fundamental causes" of
>> > ill health.  As Picard points out, networks and contacts are themselves
>> a
>> > result of political, economoic, and social conditions.
>> >
>> > So rather than blame policies that make societies unhealthy, blame
>> people
>> > and their friends!
>> >
>> > By the way the "obesity epidemic" appears to be non-existant in Norway,
>> > Sweden, and Denmark (a result of my three weeks of detailed
>> examinations).
>> >  Perhaps having basic income and other security makes you less likely to
>> > stuff your face!
>> >
>> > dennis
>> >
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