Bravo! Your comment has made an absolutely fundamental distinction  
and underlined the fundamental purpose of an economic system. Thank you.

On Nov 14, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Thompson, Kenneth wrote:

> hi all,
>
> one of the issues to argue over is "what is economics?"
>
> some would argue (myself included) that the purpose of any economic  
> system is to organize human effort for the benefit of human kind..
> so the basis to judge any particular form of economic system would  
> be on what it does for the people..all of them
>
> of course, there are those who act as though the economy was an end  
> in itself.  and those who act as though the economy was there to  
> support their property rights etc etc..
>
> ken
>
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> From: Social Determinants of Health on behalf of Sutherland Alan
> Sent: Mon 11/14/2005 5:14 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SDOH] economic argument for poverty solutions
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>
> I really wonder why some argue that we should steer away from the  
> economic argument!  Surely we would be better armed for having our  
> arguments clear and well founded and that includes understanding  
> the economics of ill health and poverty.   For some time in the  
> past few years several people here in strategic development within  
> state health services have argued that a healthy community produces  
> economic development; that gross national product is not a measure  
> of wellbeing if social costs are not included; that crime and  
> safety are not immutable consequences of our current economic order.
>
> I say failure to deal with the economics reduces us to "flaky"  
> arguments of principle instead of the harsh realities of life.  If  
> our national government is so unconcerned about the economics of  
> poverty why does it now espouse the new politics of getting  
> everyone off "welfare" and into employment; of keeping young people  
> at schools longer; of working past 65 years of age.  These are not  
> policies for a new economic order of poor and underpaid workers  
> (though some will argue that case).
>
> Before we enter the new age of modern "serfdom" (where the large  
> numbers of poor work for the few extremely wealthy people and  
> companies) let's really analyse if it really works!
>
> Regards
>
> Alan Sutherland
> Community and Individual Resiliency Project
> Mental Health (South)
> Department of Health and Human Services
> Clare House, 26 Clare Street
> New Town, Tasmania, Australia 7008
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 8:38 AM
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>
> I agree - nothing like hitting where it hurts.
>
>
>
>
> Garth Henniker
> Clinical Consultant - Mental Health Promotion
> Southern Public Health Unit Network
> Brisbane South Public Health Unit
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>>>> [log in to unmask] 11/15/05 6:01 am >>>
> I think I prefer the "burning cars" economic argument.
>
> "If you continue to ignore the marginalized and oppressed in th  
> society,
> they will either burn -- or steal -- your BMW or Audi, possibly  
> with you in
> it."
>
> dr
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