Lela,
I want to echo Michael and Laurel's words.  Many of us have been active in 
advocacy for some time.  I made my pilgrimage to Jim Watson's office with 
SDOH proponents in tow just after the announcement of the new ministry.

I attended that Child Poverty Action group AGM in Ottawa this evening and 
last month attended an event hosted by a teachers' group on inner city child 
poverty.

Many groups, many well intended and committed people!

I am not convinced that we need another group quite frankly.  It seems to 
fragment our effectiveness in my view.   I would rather see people joining 
existing groups or working to build coalitions/partnerships!

It is easy to become discouraged when you feel the urge to mobilize and 
others do not seem to rally round.

I belong to the Ontario Health Coalition which took the lead on the June 3 
P3 rally and Chair the local coalition in Ottawa.  We are a small group and 
we will be focusing on connecting with other progressive groups.

We have only so much energy and we need to avoid duplicating our efforts. 
The fine distinctions between one advocacy group and another may not justify 
the fragmenting of such efforts.

I believe we need to think more about how we can coordinate our efforts and 
come together under common banners!
Marlene Rivier

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pennock, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SDOH] SDOH Advocacy Committee


> Your lack of response may be due to the fact that there are already a 
> great many advocacy groups working on various issues related to SDOH- 
> nationally, provincially and locally. I'm not sure there is a meagre 
> desire to participate, rather people may already be participating in one 
> or more of these initiatives.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Lela Gary
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:12 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [SDOH] SDOH Advocacy Committee
>
>
> Hello  all,
>
> I have not given up on the proposal I made regarding the need to organize
> an advocacy group if we are to bring about changes in what has been 
> discussed.
>
> I must say, however, that I am quite disappointed at the meager desire to
> participate actively; only 3 people expressed willingness to follow-up and 
> one
> solicitor who would rather attract people in one organization rather than
> create many voices on similar agendas.
>
> I wish to emphasize again, that SDOH discussions are only the first step;
> yes, they inform and connect people, but if any change is to take place,
> it must go beyond identifying the problem.  Being busy is not a good 
> excuse
> to avoid taking some responsibility for the ideas and concerns you have
> addressed.
>
> This is to inform you of my follow-up on the initiative I had proposed to 
> the
> Minister of Health regarding a review of the Health Protection and 
> Promotion
> Act.  I have received a copy of the Sars and Public Health Legislation, 
> Sars
> Commission from the office of the Honourable Mr. Justice Archie Campbell 
> and
> I have already responded on a specific recommendation he made, for his
> consideration.
>
> Also, based on same initiative of Prevention vs Remedial treatment,  I am
> waiting for an appointment to be scheduled for me to see Mr. Jim  Watson,
> Minister of Health Promotion. Needless to say, the staff are drugging 
> their
> feet, but I am persistent.
>
> On a personal level, I have requested  a collaboration with the Canadian 
> Public
> Health Association, which this can extend to many other health-interested
> organizations when SDOH organizes an advocacy group, so that we create a 
> roar
> instead of a pip-squeak. It is active participation that brings change, 
> such as
> the Rally; it has more gumption than any conference, summit or forum.
> (Oppose and Expose Privatization Rally
> June 3, 1pm
> Queen's Park)
>
>
> I suggest that we schedule a meeting for the last week of June either at 
> York U
> if Dennis Raphael can arrange for a room for a 2-hour session to discuss 
> this
> initiative, or if not possible, I can try to  reserve a room at Metro Hall 
> in
> downtown Toronto.
> For people out of Province, the discussions will take place by e-mail. 
> etc.
>
> Your feedback please,
>
> Lela Gary
>
>
> (I am listing excerpts from the voices on the proposal:
>
> i) be inclusive, particularly of members of marginalized groups that are 
> the
> most acutely affected by the SDOH, and
> ii) allow remote participation via email,
> Crystal Ocean
>
> I would gladly participate in an advocacy committee to bring theory into 
> action!
> Minnie Davis
>
> I'm all for participating in action that wants to bring about change.
> Greta Doucet
>
> I hope that as people consider advocacy and collective action, we'll
> remember that there are groups already doing some of this work and we/they
> would welcome more recruits and partners.  I coordinate Campaign 2000,
> Laurel Rothman
> <Laurel, the more voices from different orgs, the better.
> Lela>
>
> Political economy does little to balance the power of major corporations
> and the business sector against the needs of workers and ordinary 
> Canadians.
> Dennis Raphael)
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