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I can't remember who it was who said, "the law in it's infinite majesty
forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under
bridges."

Theresa Healy, Ph.D.
Adjunct Professor
Dept. of Gender Studies and the School of Environmental Planning
UNBC, Prince George, BC. V2N 4Z9
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"Until lions have their own historian, tales of the hunt will always
reflect the hunter." African proverb.

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Dennis Raphael
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Nobody actually chooses to live in poverty. Amazongly, 23% of Americans
appear to make this decision.  While only 2% of Danes choose to do so.

dr


Keven Mosley-Koehler <[log in to unmask]>@YORKU.CA> on 29/12/2006
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While dividing the poor into groups by age or whether mothers and
fathers
are present does not make sense, there is another way to categorize
those
in
poverty....those who are choosing to be in poverty through their
behavioral
choices and those who are doing all they can  to get out of poverty.
When
viewed like this, it truly does become important to consider WHO is in
poverty, because it guides approaches to help them help themselves to
get
out.  It helps identify the contributing factors to their plight since
there
are so many yet which apply becomes quite individualized depending on
the
person, their environment, their history, their attitude, their
education,
etc.

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [SDOH] Reflections on child & family poverty


> I'm with Graeme on this issue, who argues against grouping people who
live
> in poverty into different categories.
>
> When this is done, there emerges a distinction between the deserving
and
> undeserving poor, those whose poverty matters and, by stint of being
> excluded or left uncategorized, those whose poverty doesn't - in which
> case,
> it isn't POVERTY that becomes the issue but WHO is in poverty.
>
> Those in poverty all share something in common: poverty. What's the
point
> of
> dividing them into seniors, children, youth, 'families' (is a
household
of
> one a family?), unless it's to study them or separate the wheat from
the
> chaff?
>
> The list in one post of the kinds of organizations that work with
Campaign
> 2000 (recent immigrants, people with disAbilities, Aboriginal people)
> doesn't include organizations that only represent, say, people with
> disAbility X or immigrants from country P or certain first nations
people
> and not others.
>
> There may be circumstances in which it makes sense to divide a larger
> group
> of people into a smaller one, if the issue has to do with the people,
not
> the systemically-caused conditions that they confront. The people who
live
> in poverty shouldn't be the focus; the systemic causes of poverty
should.
>
> Ocean, WISE Coordinator.
> http://www.wise-bc.org/
>
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