In the grand scheme of things, people went from 'personnel' to 'human resources', and we all know the attitude business has towards resources.

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From: w gail richardson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 2005/11/20 Sun PM 08:48:14 EST
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SDOH] economic argument for poverty solutions

Persuasive arguments may advance the importance of poverty in the academic
world but not the actual policies. Or if it does impact policy development,
there is not always implementation of the policy in an effective way. Or the
political will does not match the evidence. Reality is that not that many
decision makers use research, and those that do, weight academic research or
argument as less than other contextual evidence such as existing cultures,
values, beliefs and attitudes with in the system, organization or individual
responsible for early childhood development. A Canadian example is Kyoto
where the evidence pointed towards policies of emission reduction, decision
makers agreed, and even set timelines, and as Canadians we did not meet our
objectives for reduction. Where do you think the glitch came in? I think
likely in the argument between politicians and business, not the academic
and the politicians. Another point is you would be hard pressed to find a
decision maker who read Keating & Hertzman or Hartly & Risely. 

Cheers, Gail

 

 

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From: Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Graham Vimpani
Sent: November 20, 2005 6:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [SDOH] economic argument for poverty solutions

 

i would have thought the arguments advanced in keating and hertzman's book,
the hart & risely book on meaningful differences in the lives of American
children and the world bank arguments on the importance of early human
development are persuasive evidence that future societal wellbeing depends
on minimising the proportion of welfare dependent young people of working
age by intervening early in the life of disadvantaged young people by a
range of macropolicy and service initiatives such as sustained nurse home
visiting and centre based care and early education.

Graham 


 

 

Professor Graham Vimpani
Clinical Chair
Kaleidoscope in Greater Newcastle
Hunter Children's Health Network
Locked Bag 1
Hunter Region Mail Centre
NSW.  2310
Head of the Discipline of Paediatrics and Child Health
University of Newcastle

 

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From a conversation Dennis and I had a couple of weeks ago, have been
mulling over this.   

 

Has anyone come across a convincing economic reason for governments to
address poverty?  If we are trying to combat neoliberalism and the power of
market forces, is there  an argument that can be made that would influence
those in the middle and upper SEL beyond social justice?  Is this something
that we need to even consider or is the 'because it is the right thing to
do' argument enough?  The evidence is so strong in terms of the effects of
poverty on the individual and family... is looking at the cost to society a
convincing argument that is going to call people to action?  

 

If all in society are in agreement that poverty is bad, and we can get
emotional seeing sad pictures on the tv, and hearing heartbreaking stories
of people's struggles, what is it that keeps society from really working
towards solutions?  How can we mobilize our society to really make this a
priority issue for policy makers and those in power?  Could using the
language and arguments of the market  be a strategy?

 

oh, the mulling continues.  

 

Sara

 

Sara Farrell, RN, MPA
Community Health Officer-North Region
Toronto Public Health
5100 Yonge Street, 2nd Fl
Toronto, M2N 5V7
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