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Subject:	Re: Reflections on child & family poverty
From:	Dennis Raphael <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:	Social Determinants of Health <[log in to unmask]>
Date:	Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:48:21 -0500
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Excuse me,  this is the 21st century, not the 16th.

dr
Keven Mosley-Koehler <[log in to unmask]>@YORKU.CA> on 29/12/2006 10:42:55
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I disagree.  Many Americans feel entitled and by enabling them to continue
on their path by providing such entitlements, we only contribute to their
situation their feeling of entitlement. They have no reason to help
themselves...we are doing that for them.  While I believe that everyone
needs help and assistance at some point, it should be geared towards
helping
them help themselves. Unfortunately this is often not the case.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Raphael" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [SDOH] Reflections on child & family poverty


> Nobody actually chooses to live in poverty. Amazongly, 23% of Americans
> appear to make this decision.  While only 2% of Danes choose to do so.
>
> dr
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>
> Keven Mosley-Koehler <[log in to unmask]>@YORKU.CA> on 29/12/2006
> 06:01:51
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> Subject:    Re: [SDOH] Reflections on child & family poverty
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> While dividing the poor into groups by age or whether mothers and fathers
> are present does not make sense, there is another way to categorize those
> in
> poverty....those who are choosing to be in poverty through their
> behavioral
> choices and those who are doing all they can  to get out of poverty.
When
> viewed like this, it truly does become important to consider WHO is in
> poverty, because it guides approaches to help them help themselves to get
> out.  It helps identify the contributing factors to their plight since
> there
> are so many yet which apply becomes quite individualized depending on the
> person, their environment, their history, their attitude, their
education,
> etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chrystal Ocean" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [SDOH] Reflections on child & family poverty
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>> I'm with Graeme on this issue, who argues against grouping people who
> live
>> in poverty into different categories.
>>
>> When this is done, there emerges a distinction between the deserving and
>> undeserving poor, those whose poverty matters and, by stint of being
>> excluded or left uncategorized, those whose poverty doesn't - in which
>> case,
>> it isn't POVERTY that becomes the issue but WHO is in poverty.
>>
>> Those in poverty all share something in common: poverty. What's the
point
>> of
>> dividing them into seniors, children, youth, 'families' (is a household
> of
>> one a family?), unless it's to study them or separate the wheat from the
>> chaff?
>>
>> The list in one post of the kinds of organizations that work with
> Campaign
>> 2000 (recent immigrants, people with disAbilities, Aboriginal people)
>> doesn't include organizations that only represent, say, people with
>> disAbility X or immigrants from country P or certain first nations
people
>> and not others.
>>
>> There may be circumstances in which it makes sense to divide a larger
>> group
>> of people into a smaller one, if the issue has to do with the people,
not
>> the systemically-caused conditions that they confront. The people who
> live
>> in poverty shouldn't be the focus; the systemic causes of poverty
should.
>>
>> Ocean, WISE Coordinator.
>> http://www.wise-bc.org/
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