I would agree that the real and serious issues of social housing are
not going to be influenced one way or the other if a few properties.
However, if there is substantial new revenue to be found in selling
off the property then I would argue that the net gain would be worth
it. Either way, isnt hard to rationalize some people living in social
housing that can be characterized as being sardine cans and others
living in, what some are suggesting, million dollar homes? Let's not
forget we have no information of the quality of the "million dollar"
properties or the total revenue to be generated by selling them.
If there are other assets that could be liquidated, well, I think that
might be another discussion.
Dan
On Nov 23, 2007 2:05 PM, Henry Eastabrook <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> The sardine can style of social housing is an abysmal failure worldwide.
> When we place folks who endure abject poverty into high-rise,
> rent-geared-to-income apartment blocks in groups of hundreds or (in the case
> of larger cities) thousands, when they also face challenges to health,
> cultural barriers & social disparity we are basically placing our most
> vulnerable citizens in the trash heap.
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> Every village is peopled with folks both rich and poor, uptowners &
> downtowners, old & young, sober & not so sober; a city should reflect this
> same diversity but not in enclaves, walled neighbourhoods & sardine cans!
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> Surely the City of Toronto can afford to hang on to a handful of bungalows
> in an otherwise gentrified (historically working class) neighbourhood –
> surely they can afford to build more diversified housing – if not they
> certainly have far more expensive, non-essential assets they could sell off
> in order to afford to build housing wisely.
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> I don't really see anything wrong with the cities position, assuming
> relocation or reallocation is done is a reasonable and sensitive
> fashion. Although the example of the $1.0M property sounds nice, it's
> possible that it's the property that carries the most value and the
> house may be a mess. If it's not, you have some horizontal
> inequities.
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> On Nov 20, 2007 3:33 PM, Diana Liw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Sorry. May be I am not being clear. I am not asking the net worth of the
> renter. I am asking how much the average rent for a family costs.
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> > >>> toba bryant <[log in to unmask]> 11/20/07 1:11 PM >>>
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> > The average renter in Toronto has a net worth of $500. They have
> > insufficient resources to buy a home. That is why they rent.
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Diana Liw" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SDOH] FYI: City asked to sell off high-value public housing
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> > > Not knowing the housing market in Canada, but I am sure are similar to
> > > the US, what type of housing can a family get with $1000 subsidity? Are
> > > they available in the same neighborhood that these families have been
> > > living in? Better yet, instead of $1000 subsidity, why not help some of
> > > these families purchase some of these houses in these neigborhoods,
> > > since they were acquired in a much lower value than now?
> > >
> > > Isn't there a saying that it's better to teach a person to fish than to
> > > give him/her the fish? Well, something like that.
> > >
> > >>>> Sunny Lam <[log in to unmask]> 11/20/07 11:24 AM >>>
> > > City asked to sell off high-value public housing
> > > Last Updated: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 | 8:26 AM ET
> > > CBC News
> > > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/11/20/tto-housing.html?
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> > > Toronto's public housing authority is being asked to sell off some of
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> > > the expensive single-family homes it rents to low-income families.
> > >
> > > Some of the houses are estimated to be worth more than $500,000.
> > >
> > > Toronto Community Housing owns hundreds of houses in the city, one of
> > >
> > > which is worth almost $1 million.
> > >
> > > Coun. Case Ootes says keeping the properties just doesn't make sense.
> > >
> > > "If you were to sell that property you could provide three families
> > > with $1,000 a month in subsidies. This does not make sense in terms
> > > of managing our assets in a cost-effective way to provide social
> > > housing to people that need it," he said.
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> > > Ootes said the money could help cut the huge waiting list for public
> > > housing, as well as the repair backlog, which is estimated to be
> > > hundreds of millions of dollars.
> > >
> > > The houses were mostly acquired in the 1970s for far less than
> > > they're worth today.
> > >
> > > Derek Ballantyne, the CEO of Toronto Community Housing, said there is
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> > > value in letting low-income people stay in what have become
> > > expensive, trendy neighbourhoods.
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> > > "The fact that gentrification has pushed prices up * doesn't lead us
> > > to the conclusion that low-income people do not deserve to live in
> > > vibrant, mixed-income neighbourhoods and should be condemned to
> > > living where real estate values are low," he said.
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> > > Ballantyne said the entire public housing stock is being reviewed,
> > > and once that's finished some of the higher-valued houses could be
> > > sold.
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