I appreciate seeing the supportive comments related to youth and the determinants of health. My master's thesis explored the Facebook conversations of youth related to the determinants of health - I will send info on this as soon as I'm able. Related to the determinants of health, most youth discussion focused on socio-environmental influences, evolving into action for change...personal health practices and coping skills -  not so much. Youth, social networking, SDOH, social action...baby boomers, you may have something to learn ;)
 
Novella Martinello (a.k.a. 24 year old Facebook user) 

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From: Social Determinants of Health on behalf of Gabriel Ramsay
Sent: Mon 13/12/2010 1:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: pretty bad out there...



Are you serious when saying youth are,

"TOO BUSY TEXTING TO READ THE NEWSPAPERS OR SWITCH ON THE CBC NEWS ON THE
HOUR?"

I've herd this before... in the 80s! "dang youth and their rotary
telephones, always talking...."

in the 70s, "dang youth and their 8 track players"

in the 60s, "dang youth and their vinyl records"

in the 50s, "dang youth and their Morse code, always bleep-bleeep
bleeping..."

And Newspapers? Seriously? Newspapers as a medium and business model has
been in constant decline for the last decade... It's glorious era has
passed... And CBC News caters as much to youth as Much Music caters to
baby boomers.

If you want youth to answer seriously about a topic, create the conditions
for them to answer you seriously. Include them in shaping the study so
they understand the questions you want answered.

Our society drills youth in personal responsibility rhetoric. They will
tell you what you want to hear. Don't Smoke, Diet, Exercise. Don't Smoke,
Diet, Exercise. Don't Smoke, Diet, Exercise. Don't Smoke, Diet, Exercise.
Drugs are bad.

A great question is how well these recorded messages are adopted by youth.
A better one, is how we can encourage youth to think critically... (or even
if we want them to...)

Great science starts with great method. Include youth as scientists. They
are the experts of being youthful after all.  Introduce the concepts you
want them to think about, such as SDOH and continue the discussion, you
will realize that they understand quite well how social factors influence
their lives. The way they will express it will simply differ from the SDOH
jargon we are all used too. They might even use technology! Beware.

Youth are eager to be involved and contribute. Sadly in many cases,
inclusive, accessible and respectful youth public participation is
sidetracked by tokenism and pizza parties.

You can find SDOH related research material throught the Healthy Children,
Healthy Communities program at the United Nations Association in Canada,
www.UNAC.ORG

Sincerely,

Gabriel Ramsay



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Social Determinants of Health on behalf of Patricia Hajdu
> Sent: Mon 12/13/2010 7:53 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SDOH] pretty bad out there...
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> The negative attitude expressed below about youth isn't helpful or
> respectful .The youth responses reflect the public discourse and the
> strong cultural myth of individual action = personal outcome.
>
> It also might reflect the lack of action that they have witnessed on
> behalf of their governments..
>
> It is our job to engage with youth in ways that make sense to them...
> because they do care and they have great ability to influence their
> communities.
>
>
> Patty
>
> Patricia Hajdu
> Drug Strategy Coordinator
> Thunder Bay District Health Unit
> 999 Balmoral Street
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Raphael
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:30 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: pretty bad out there...
>
>
> Youth's Perspectives on the Determinants of Health
>
> "Most noteworthy was the lack of attention youth assigned to the
> role that government had in improving the health of youth. It was often
> not until the youth were probed specifically about government that they
> even included it in their discourse. When they did talk about the role
> of government, it usually was in reference to
> government enforcing antismoking laws or laws about healthy
> eating (e.g., reducing the fat content in food products). There was
> little discussion about government
> addressing the broader social determinants of health, or about
> individuals becoming involved in shaping government agendas. For
> example, rather than acknowledging the role governments have in making
> neighborhoods safe to live in, the youth's discourse was focused on what
> youth could do at an individual level: namely staying inside their
> homes."
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> TOO BUSY TEXTING TO READ THE NEWSPAPERS OR SWITCH ON THE CBC
> NEWS ON THE HOUR?
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