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> CLICK4HP participants ...
>
> I certainly admit to enjoying the "banter" about "what health promotion is all
> about", but I must admit to not always fully understanding exactly what is
meant
>
> by the three main players in the current discussion.  It would be more helpful
> for me, as an example ... if when Blake says "it is problematic to justify
> structural change only in terms of it's potential to bring about behaviour
> change"... there was also an example of what was meant by structural change or
> further discussion of the statement through the use of an example.  In this
> statement, how are you defining structural change?  Do you mean development of
> city wide bike paths with supporting policy, or do you mean legistrated
shorter
> work weeks, or are you talking about greater structural changes such as
changing how laws are passed or how decisions are made for the "collective
whole"?
>
> Abstract discussions of philosophy/approaches, theory and individual
> understandings of what health promotion means ... expand the understanding of
> all who participate.  But the operative word is participate.  There is limited
> opportunity to ask for clarification in a spontaneous way in this virtual
forum.
>
> It may be different for others, but I find that I have forgotten why I asked
the question (asked for clarification) by the time I get the answer!!
>
> My intent is not to deter people from writing, or to suggest that all
> discussions are difficult to follow or understand.  But some are!  I have just
> noticed that this particular discussion is currently dominated by few people
vs the larger number who were involved at the beginning.  I wonder if there are
> others who are not participating in the discussion because they are not sure
> exactly what is being said and thus can not respond?
>
> Simply language, rich with examples, is INCLUSIVE!
>
> e-you soon??!
>
> Debbie Bang
> Coordinator/Researcher
> St. Joseph s Community Health Centre
> Consumer Health Information Centre
> 2757 King Street East
> Hamilton, Ontario  L8G 5E4
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> > Michel, I still feel that it is problematic to justify structural change
> > only in terms of it's potential to bring about behaviour change, esp. as
> > this is most often interpreted in terms of "lifestyle" behaviours. And, I
> > do not accept that because a broader focus or more expansive/progressive
> > social change focus is difficult to define that it should not be part of
> > the hp agenda... which reminds me of people who defend capitalism because
> > they can't imagine what else one would replace it with...  though I don't
> > mean to put words in your mouth, but rather am trying to draw out some of
> > the possible implications or unintended consequences of what I heard your
> > position to be... which perhaps I have not adequately understood.  I
> > thought that Dennis' example of the justifications for child care nicely
> > illustrates some of these issues, and argues for general well-being and
> > social justice as appropriate ends in themselves.
> >
> > Anyway, those are my thoughts. I'd welcome comments/criticism from any
> > readers out there.
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