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Parisi Daniela Fernanda <[log in to unmask]>
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Societies for the History of Economics <[log in to unmask]>
Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:44:34 +0100
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On February 24 I sent to the SHOE community an invitation for the "application for an assistant-professor position in economics" in Milan, thinking of all the Italian economists working in the history of economic thought and of the historians of economic thought that have long taught economic subjects in Italy and abroad. 
In sending in the invitation, I thought of all those that, in reading it, would feel discriminated against. I sent it in to see the reactions the invitation would trigger, and I read them with much interest. I am convinced - and I know I am not the only one - that "the future of history of economics depends on safeguarding positions in economics", and that "how to think critically and historically about economics" should be a key issue on which the economists and the students of economics should be focusing.
With many thanks to the SHOE list.

Prof.a Daniela Parisi
Istituto di Teoria economica e Metodi quantitativi
UniversitÓ Cattolica del Sacro Cuore
via Necchi 5
20123 Milano
Tel. +39-02-7234.2471
Fax +39-02-7234.2923

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Societies for the History of Economics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Per conto di Anthony Waterman
Inviato: lunedý 28 febbraio 2011 21.46
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Oggetto: Re: [SHOE] FW: [SHOE] application for an assistant professor position-Milan (Italy)--Paul Heyne

Granted. It's in the Brennan/Waterman Introduction. I didn't bother to 
mention it because Paul never published it or anything from it. This is 
because he undertook the study in order to refute Frank Knight's claim that 
Christianity can throw no light on economic policy questions. He failed. 
Even while studying at Chicago he was already teaching economics, and 
continued to do so until he died.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SHOE] FW: [SHOE] application for an assistant professor 
position-Milan (Italy)--Paul Heyne

>I don't think I know Paul Heyne's work well enough to comment on whether
> or not he could be classified as a philosopher. A.M.C. Waterman is
> certainly much more qualified than I to opine on that. However, Waterman's
> recent posting to SHOE on Heyne does in my opinion omit one important
> detail. This is that Heyne's 1963 doctoral dissertation at the University
> of Chicago was completed in the Divinity School NOT the department of
> Economics.  The title of Heyne's dissertation is "The Presuppositions of
> Economic Thought: A Study in the Philosophical and Theological Sources of
> Economic Controversy."  In his introduction, Heyne indicates that he views
> his thesis as a "study in Economics, Philosophy, and Theology."
> David Mitch
>> My dear and intimate friend, the late Paul Heyne, was not a philosopher
>> and had no pretension whatsoever in that direction. (Indeed one might
>> well say, he had no pretensions of any kind.) He was thoroughly trained
>> as a Lutheran ordinand at St Louis, took an MA in economics at a local
>> university, and proceeded to Chicago for his doctorate. His entire
>> professional career was spent in departments of economics. But he had no
>> 'research interests in economics' and quite deliberately -- almost
>> ostentatiously -- eschewed 'research', which he regarded as a mere
>> academic game. He regarded himself, and was regarded, as a teacher. A
>> convenient summary of his life and work may be found in the Introduction
>> to the  volume of his essays edited by Geoffrey Brennan and myself:
>> '"Are Economists Basically Immoral?" and Other Essays on Economics,
>> Ethics and Religion, edited and with an Introduction by Geoffrey Brennan
>> and A. M. C. Waterman'. Indianapolis: LIberty Fund, 2008.
>> A. M. C. Waterman
>> On 27/02/2011 5:19 PM, Samuel Bostaph wrote:
>>> Two other philosophers whose research interests are in economics are
>>> Jim Otteson at Yeshiva University and Paul Heyne (unfortunately
>>> deceased) at the University of Washington.
>>> Samuel Bostaph, Ph.D.
>>> Champaign, Illinois
>>> "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
>>> themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened."--Winston Churchill
>>> --- On *Sun, 2/27/11, Eric Schliesser /<[log in to unmask]>/* wrote:
>>>     From: Eric Schliesser <[log in to unmask]>
>>>     Subject: Re: [SHOE] FW: [SHOE] application for an assistant
>>>     professor position-Milan (Italy)
>>>     To: [log in to unmask]
>>>     Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 10:12 AM
>>>     I have advocated in print (one may recall my 2008 JHET article)
>>>     that history of economics may find a home within philosophy
>>>     departments (especially because there is a lot of shared history
>>>     between philosophy and economics).
>>>     But there is no doubt that there are very few professional
>>>     philosophers in the English speaking world who also work in
>>>     history of economics. Here are a few names that spring to mind
>>>     (with affiliation and major research area):
>>>     Erik Angner (Alabama) Hayek; Jordi Cat (Indiana) Neurath; Thomas
>>>     Uebel (Manchester) Neurath; Margaret Schabas (UBC) Hume/Smith;
>>>     Stephen Turner (USF) Max Weber/Parsons are among the few who keep
>>>     returning to history of economics. (Of course, there are quite a
>>>     few Adam Smith & Mill scholars within philosophy, but most of
>>>     these are really not so interested in economics.)
>>>     Kevin Hoover can also be included in this list.
>>>      Brian Weatherson (Rutgers--one of the top ranked department in
>>>     the world) was briefly interested in Keynes/Ramsey.
>>>     In Europe David Teirra (Madrid) Chicago; Jack Vromen (Rotterdam)
>>>     evolutionary economics; Uskali maki (Friedman's methodology essay)
>>>     can also be included.
>>>     No doubt we can add a few more. But I agree with Alain that for
>>>     the time being this is not a very promising survival strategy.
>>>     Eric
>>>     BOF Research Professor, Philosophy and Moral Sciences, Ghent
>>>     University, Blandijnberg 2, Ghent, B-9000, Belgium. Phone:
>>>     (31)-(0)6-15005958
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* Alain Alcouffe <[log in to unmask]>
>>>     *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>     *Sent:* Sat, February 26, 2011 5:47:16 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [SHOE] FW: [SHOE] application for an assistant
>>>     professor position-Milan (Italy)
>>>     Le 25/02/2011 17:28, Womack, John a Úcrit :
>>>>     I think the best revenge may be to join or create a department or
>>>> program of the history of sciences, to work alongside historians of
>>>> chemistry, biology, physics, etc., who now try to understand
>>>> historically why very smart "scientists" in the past so often got
>>>> matters in their disciplines so stupidly, disastrously wrong.
>>>     Revenge ? Really?
>>>     The same kind of situation exists in France and history of
>>>     economics is also downgraded and/or excluded from curriculums,
>>>     hence  positions for historian of economics  are becoming fewer
>>>     and fewer. But if we consider the number of positions for
>>>     historians of sciences (aactualy the category encompasses
>>>     epistemology, history of sciences and techniques), there are only
>>>     76 while positions for economists are around 1900. That's why I am
>>>     convinced that the future of history of economics depends upon
>>>     safeguarding  positions in economics.