----------------- HES POSTING ----------------- It seems that the opposition between "guns" and "butter" was first used by Goering in the 1930s to justify the German rearmament policy. Goering said that people need guns, not butter--since butter makes people fat while guns make them strong. I don't have here the original quotation, but I can find it easily if you want. Renaud Bellais ------------ FOOTER TO HES POSTING ------------ For information, send the message "info HES" to [log in to unmask]