----------------- HES POSTING ----------------- Hi Greg-- Here I was referring to the huge literature (Pocock, Skinner, Wood among others ) on the struggle for hegemony between a Lockean liberalism and an older civic humanist liberalism or republicanism. Are you saying that Pocock et. al. invented this difference between a liberalism based on rights and negative liberty and a liberalism based on civic virtue and positive liberty? Kevin Quinn ------------ FOOTER TO HES POSTING ------------ For information, send the message "info HES" to [log in to unmask]