To reply to Pat Gunning's comments. First heterodox economics roughly defines economics as examining and explaining the social provisioning process. Of course within this approach agents make decisions but how they make them is outside the approach used in mainstream economics: people make decisions/choices but they are not neoclassical decisions/choices. However making decisions is just one small component of the social provisioning process and hence one small component of heterodox economics. Secondly, by framing the discussion in terms of economics as a theory of choice with constraints, the exclusion of heterodox economics/economists from the discussion is not unexpected (if not undesired). But on a HES listserve where many of the economists are heterodox economists such a discussion seems perhaps inappropriately exclusionary. Why not have the discussion examine the historical transformation of the conception of the definition of economics to a theory of choice and how historically organizational power etc. was used to put the definition in place and to maintain it. Such a discussion would, I believe, engage more of those on the listserve and also make a contribution to the history of economics. Fred Lee