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I think this discussion is part of that important conversation (of
bringing the university and community together) and that it is fraught
with dangers. So, let's take a moment to congratulate ourselves on the
list. Do you know of anywhere else we could have had this conversation?
We are in uncharted waters for the most part and for some of us it feels
very risky to be making public our thoughts feelings and experiences. I
want to suggest we take care then, of each other as we do this, that we
choose our words with care and attention to how they may be heard. I
know we don't do this well. I know we are trained in the university to
make the argument as effective as possible and decimating someone
personally is too often part of that intellectual scenario.  How often
did you have the professor whose attitude to a student question was "if
you have to ask, you aren't smart enough to be in my class?" and
witnessed an entire class reduce to silence for the rest of the
semester? Or the professor whose approach to teaching as an unwelcome
intrusion to his own work? How many graduate classes became a Roman
arena of blood and guts as graduate students strove to impress
professors by smart but cruel attacks on fellow students? And how many
of us were lucky enough to have professors who challenged and taught us
to think and speak in ways that respected the dignity of others? But for
the most part we are taught to be independent and isolationist and
competitive -sadly I think. There is a part of me, well trained by the
university that loves research, loves the smell in the library at UBC
and is never happier then when buried in research - alone,. I fight
against this impulse the way Jesuits resist temptation!!! I have trained
myself and had the support of academics to find a different stance -
that sees the best knowledge as collectively generated from a 360
perspective and that makes things happen for the better as you do it. It
is often messy, uncomfortable and often magical.=20

I am lucky though to have found this stance, some ways I am very lucky.
I am too old to care about tenure, I love where I live and don't want to
uproot to advance a career within the academy. I love the pace of life
here in Prince George, the friendliness and the fact I have a regular
moose visit my one and a half acres and a bear who passes through (last
year with her two cubs.)  People look me in the eye and speak to me on
the streets here. And I can afford a home and a lifestyle on modest
means.=20

I "only" have adjunct status which lets me teach the classes I want to,
and to sit on  thesis committees which keeps my thinking and reading
skills honed. But mot of my work is in the community. It is from this
odd stance that I see some of both worlds. I know there are misfits and
malcontents on both sides of this university community divide, (and I
use misfits and malcontents as a positive trait attribution. After all,
I think most positive progress has come from those dissatisfied with the
status quo and eager for justice.)=20

I still think the challenge is how to speak across that divide. How do
those of us (no matter where we stand) who want to make a difference,
who do see value and equity in the community and its knowledge, and who
want partnership that bestows power equally and shares outcomes
fruitfully, find each other and talk to each other?  Are we able to say,
okay, if a community wants/needs capacity building we will listen when
they say what that capacity should look like - and that sometimes that
is going to be resources and not our "superior knowledge or research
skills? Can deliver capacity building in ways that are respectful and
empowering? And, in turn, can we accept that we too need capacity
building and that the community has much to teach us if we listen
deeply.

I have had some brilliant profs, who have seen the world beyond their
classroom and their disciplines, who bring context to the chalk board
(or I guess PowerPoint now, hey? Letting my age show) ) .One of those
professors, a strong feminist herself, challenged me, and literally
stood my thinking on my head when she made me think about gender not
just women. I felt that was such a betrayal of everything I stood for,
and had fought for as a young single mom trying to support my children,
get an education and change the world (never occurred to me I couldn't
do all three)  She said to me in one class, "look between, look at the
differences and you learn more about each." And that short sharp
illumination has been a huge help to me - so I urge this on us all:
let's look at both in the same light, let's use the scrutiny to see the
differences and similarities, let's learn about and support each other.
All we have, in the last analysis - is each other.=20

We underestimate, I think the power of conversation to shift the world
if we learn to listen....? =20

My dream:  a conference - fully funded so that community folks could
attend, with highly skilled facilitation, so we could continue this
conversation face to face, where we could take social determinants as
the equalizing ground. It  would be nothing short of revolutionary - But
where do we to fund the revolution?

T

=20

Theresa Healy, Ph.D.

Adjunct Professor

Dept. of Gender Studies and the School of Environmental Planning

UNBC, Prince George, BC. V2N 4Z9

email: [log in to unmask]; cell phone: 250-565-1955

=20

"Until lions have their own historian, tales of the hunt will always
reflect the hunter." African proverb.

=20

________________________________

From: Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Linda Green
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SDOH] Brokering university knowledge to community agencies

=20

"what are you doing to bring the two conversations (the community
conversation and the academe conversation) together?"
I'm finding it hard to follow how we got here. I am not sure why
Chrystal Ocean is being pressed in this manner for an answer to this
question. I am reacting to this quite negatively and thinking that this
exchange may be illustrating in some way the entitlement experienced by
those who are aligned with the interests of universities or socially
empowered by them in relation to those who are located in and aligned
with the interests of those in communities and community orgs.=20
I don't think the burden of bringing communities and academics together
falls to communities does it?  And I don't mean to imply that I want to
see this happen because I don't, with the exception of a very few
academics whose positioning is such (tho' it may not always be as the
autonomy of some of those in the academy is being eroded currently) that
they still have some freedom to support the interests of communities
independent of their own).=20
Moving off this question at quite a few degrees I think that
community-university alliances basically give those in universities
access (entree) to communities and community organizations which on
their own professional researchers don't necessarily deserve and haven't
earned. The flow of funding is right now helping researchers to get
around the historical problem of entree/access to communities. This is
quite problematic I think. I also think it raises serious ethical
questions although perhaps others don't see that. Compliance with
ethical procedures for research is  part of the mystique of research
these days, yet there are larger ethical questions such as these which
are being completely obscured and rendered unspeakable. Linda
=20


____________________
Linda Green, OISE/UT
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think this discussion is part of =
that
important conversation (of bringing the university and community =
together) and
that it is fraught with dangers. So, let&#8217;s take a moment to =
congratulate
ourselves on the list. Do you know of anywhere else we could have had =
this
conversation? We are in uncharted waters for the most part and for some =
of us
it feels very risky to be making public our thoughts feelings and =
experiences.
I want to suggest we take care then, of each other as we do this, that =
we
choose our words with care and attention to how they may be heard. I =
know we
don&#8217;t do this well. I know we are trained in the university to =
make the
argument as effective as possible and decimating someone personally is =
too
often part of that intellectual scenario.&nbsp; How often did you have =
the
professor whose attitude to a student question was &#8220;if you have to =
ask,
you aren&#8217;t smart enough to be in my class?&#8221; and witnessed an =
entire
class reduce to silence for the rest of the semester? Or the professor =
whose
approach to teaching as an unwelcome intrusion to his own work? How many
graduate classes became a Roman arena of blood and guts as graduate =
students
strove to impress professors by smart but cruel attacks on fellow =
students? And
how many of us were lucky enough to have professors who challenged and =
taught
us to think and speak in ways that respected the dignity of others? But =
for the
most part we are taught to be independent and isolationist and =
competitive &#8211;sadly
I think. There is a part of me, well trained by the university that =
loves
research, loves the smell in the library at UBC and is never happier =
then when
buried in research &#8211; alone,. I fight against this impulse the way =
Jesuits
resist temptation!!! I have trained myself and had the support of =
academics to
find a different stance &#8211; that sees the best knowledge as =
collectively generated
from a 360 perspective and that makes things happen for the better as =
you do it.
It is often messy, uncomfortable and often magical. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am lucky though to have found =
this
stance, some ways I am very lucky. I am too old to care about tenure, I =
love
where I live and don&#8217;t want to uproot to advance a career within =
the
academy. I love the pace of life here in Prince George, the friendliness =
and
the fact I have a regular moose visit my one and a half acres and a bear =
who
passes through (last year with her two cubs.)&nbsp; People look me in =
the eye
and speak to me on the streets here. And I can afford a home and a =
lifestyle on
modest means. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I &#8220;only&#8221; have adjunct =
status
which lets me teach the classes I want to, and to sit on&nbsp; thesis
committees which keeps my thinking and reading skills honed. But mot of =
my work
is in the community. It is from this odd stance that I see some of both =
worlds.
I know there are misfits and malcontents on both sides of this =
university
community divide, (and I use misfits and malcontents as a positive trait
attribution. After all, I think most positive progress has come from =
those
dissatisfied with the status quo and eager for justice.) =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I still think the challenge is how =
to
speak across that divide. How do those of us (no matter where we stand) =
who
want to make a difference, who do see value and equity in the community =
and its
knowledge, and who want partnership that bestows power equally and =
shares
outcomes fruitfully, find each other and talk to each other? &nbsp;Are =
we able
to say, okay, if a community wants/needs capacity building we will =
listen when
they say what that capacity should look like &#8211; and that sometimes =
that is
going to be resources and not our &#8220;superior knowledge or research =
skills?
Can deliver capacity building in ways that are respectful and =
empowering? And,
in turn, can we accept that we too need capacity building and that the
community has much to teach us if we listen =
deeply.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have had some brilliant profs, =
who have
seen the world beyond their classroom and their disciplines, who bring =
context
to the chalk board (or I guess PowerPoint now, hey? Letting my age show) =
) .One
of those professors, a strong feminist herself, challenged me, and =
literally
stood my thinking on my head when she made me think about gender not =
just
women. I felt that was such a betrayal of everything I stood for, and =
had
fought for as a young single mom trying to support my children, get an
education and change the world (never occurred to me I couldn&#8217;t do =
all
three)&nbsp; She said to me in one class, &#8220;look between, look at =
the
differences and you learn more about each.&#8221; And that short sharp
illumination has been a huge help to me &#8211; so I urge this on us =
all: let&#8217;s
look at both in the same light, let&#8217;s use the scrutiny to see the
differences and similarities, let&#8217;s learn about and support each
other.&nbsp; All we have, in the last analysis &#8211; is each other. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We underestimate, I think the power =
of
conversation to shift the world if we learn to listen&#8230;.?&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My dream:&nbsp; a conference =
&#8211; fully
funded so that community folks could attend, with highly skilled =
facilitation,
so we could continue this conversation face to face, where we could take =
social
determinants as the equalizing ground. It&nbsp; would be nothing short =
of revolutionary
- But where do we to fund the revolution?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>T<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
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Professor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Dept. of Gender Studies and the =
School of
Environmental Planning<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>UNBC, <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">Prince
  George</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st=3D"on">BC</st1:State></st1:place>. =
V2N 4Z9<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>email: [log in to unmask]; cell phone:
250-565-1955<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><i><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;font-style:italic'>&quot;Until =
lions have
their own historian, tales of the hunt will always reflect the =
hunter.&quot;
African proverb.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>

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knowledge to community agencies</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font =
size=3D3
color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>&quot;what
are you doing to bring the two conversations (the community conversation =
and
the academe conversation) together?&quot;<br>
I'm finding it hard to follow how we got here. I am not sure why =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Chrystal</st1:PlaceName> =
<st1:PlaceName
 w:st=3D"on">Ocean</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> is being pressed in this =
manner
for an answer to this question. I am reacting to this quite negatively =
and
thinking that this exchange may be illustrating in some way the =
entitlement
experienced by those who are aligned with the interests of universities =
or
socially empowered by them in relation to those who are located in and =
aligned
with the interests of those in communities and community orgs. <br>
I don't think the burden of bringing communities and academics together =
falls
to communities does it? &nbsp;And I don't mean to imply that I want to =
see this
happen because I don't, with the exception of a very few &nbsp;academics =
whose
positioning is such (tho' it may not always be as the autonomy of some =
of those
in the academy is being eroded currently) that they still have some =
freedom to
support the interests of communities independent of their own). <br>
Moving off this question at quite a few degrees I think that
community-university alliances basically give those in universities =
access
(entree) to communities and community organizations which on their own
professional researchers don't necessarily deserve and haven't earned. =
The flow
of funding is right now helping researchers to get around the historical
problem of entree/access to communities. This is quite problematic I =
think. I also
think it raises serious ethical questions although perhaps others don't =
see
that. Compliance with ethical procedures for research is &nbsp;part of =
the
mystique of research these days, yet there are larger ethical questions =
such as
these which are being completely obscured and rendered unspeakable. =
Linda<br>
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Linda Green, OISE/UT<br>
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