Thank you to Larry for his eloquence, to Barry for his passionate patriotism. These discussions need to happen, more frequently and in more places. The Mark Twain Forum, where we are surrounded by friends is a great place to have them. In particular, we need to generate the kind of comments Hal makes, so that we can examine them and think about them. Because as Ben so correctly points out, the discussion is not at all an easy 50-50 split with neither side listening. It's a 70/30 split, and only the 30 seem to have stopped thinking at all about what they say and do. If we continue to let people ignore the crimes, injustices, and incompetence of the current administration by letting them keep saying that the 70 percent of the people who disagree with them are not listening, are just whining, or are part of some leftist liberal intellectual conspiracy--then the voices of the 70 percent are silenced. We need people with the eloquence of Larry and Barry to keep speaking the truth. To keep repeatedly pointing out that the Constitution of the United States is under threat. We need the world, as well as the remaining 30 percent to hear the truth so this disastrous course can be altered. Sam Clemens is always here with us, speaking truth to power--if you need the citations just look in Jim Zwick's book! Kathy Farretta Qui Tacet Consentit - Silence implies consent.