I second Larry Howe's call for Jocelyn to stay with the Forum. I would also like to go beyond Larry's call for David Fears to behave himself. I think David has crossed the line too many times to trust him to reform. In addition to repeatedly irritating and offending other members of the Forum, he also drawn otherwise rationale people into making personal attacks that serve no purpose other than to underline the obvious and make everyone who reads the postings (with one possible exception) cringe. Indeed, on more than one occasion, his inappropriate and provocative remarks have tempted me to post satiric rejoinders. In fact, before I read Jocelyn's sad note, I was seriously considering posting the URL of a website with savage student evaluations of David's teaching skills. I now wish publicly to ask David to withdraw from the Forum and not force the Forum administrator to expel him. David has his own web pages; those of us who want to learn what is he doing will know where to find him. Kent Rasmussen