I haven't been on this list for a long time, so this might have been discussed already. Engaging the media is fine, but I am not sure how much can be accomplished by this. I doubt people are going to run and vote for NDP all of a sudden. I think we need to engage the government. We fight this uphill battle from the inside, and a coordinated effort from both sides would be great. You know the saying that one cannot be a prophet in one's own country. For example, last year our senior managers heard some sort of presentation on complexity, and then for the whole year we kept hearing how sending a rocket to the moon is complicated, but raising children is complex. So one good presentation at the right time can make a big difference. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:21 PM, David Zakus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > HI Scott, and HAPPY NEW YEAR...wow, the time flies by...so good to read > your comment. > Trust you're off to a good and excellent 2011!! > I had a nice few days with family in Toronto then to Aaron's wedding in > Vermont! > All goes well...hoping to see you soon. > ALL BEST IN 2011, > david > > On 3-Jan-11, at 7:09 PM, Scott A. Wolfe wrote: > > Well put, Faraz, and thanks for making these important points. Really, we > ALL must do a better job taking a look in the mirror in our haste to change > the world. I had the opportunity to speak at length with this CBC producer > today and, no surprise, she was highly-engaged and we had a nice > conversation. It turns out that the issues related to SDOH touched her quite > deeply and, as we focused in on the substance of why SDOH matter, including > some point-counterpoint, she herself began to reason through why it is that > we should be having this sort of dialogue more publicly and more routinely. > > As we carry forward our work and our efforts to foster meaningful social > change, we would all do well to remember that it is as much about *how* we > have the conversation about SDOH, as the actual substance of that > conversation. Casting unfounded and unhelpful aspersions upon individuals > because they do not possess our infinite technical knowledge nor our fluency > in a particular language is going to get us nowhere. And, as Faraz pointed > out in her message, it is counter to our proposed values and purpose. The > world has enough whipping posts...let's not erect any more. > > The good news is that it's early on in 2011...we all have a full year ahead > to do better (self included!) > > Best wishes everyone. > > *Scott* > ** > *Scott A. Wolfe* > *Federal/Provincial Coordinator - Canadian Alliance of Community Health > Centre Associations (CACHCA)* > *Coordinateur fédéral et provinciel - le Regroupement canadien des > associations de centres communautaires de santé (le RCACCS)* > *------------------------------------------* > Toronto and Midland, ON CANADA > 416.839.0531 > [log in to unmask] / [log in to unmask] > www.cachca.ca > Follow CACHCA on Twitter / Suivez-nous sur Twitter : > www.twitter.com/CACHCA_RCACCS > Follow CACHCA on Facebook / Suivez-nous sur Facebook : > www.facebook.com/CACHCA.RCACCS > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Social Determinants of Health [mailto:[log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]>] > *On Behalf Of *faraz vahid shahidi > *Sent:* January-03-11 6:18 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Inquiry from CBC producer > > Dear Linda (and SDOH-ers), > > It is probable that English is not the first language of this CBC producer. > Nevertheless, I'm more than certain that the individual in question is > 'literate' and capable of fulfilling the duties required of them as a > television producer. > > Why does English become the standard against which 'literacy' is measured, > and the condition upon which employment is predicated? What drives us to > "lower our expectations" the moment we engage with someone for whom English > is not the first language. How can we reconcile our position in favor of the > social determinants of health perspective, while simultaneously making a > mockery of precisely those populations that suffer from the unfair > conditions of life highlighted by the SDOH perspective? *Language > barriers, racism, and xenophobia are social determinants of health.* So > why, on this of all listservs, do an individual's language barriers become > the subject of mockery? > > Sincerely, > > Faraz Vahid Shahidi > Undergraduate, Health Studies, University of Toronto > > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Linda Lalonde < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Ah Dennis, >> >> You should have had a hint to lower your expectations when she talked >> about "You comments ... was forwarded" and then asked you to call to >> "discuss it". I remember a time, not so very long ago, when CBC producers >> were literate and well-read. Sigh... >> >> Linda. >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 1/3/11, Dennis Raphael <[log in to unmask]>* wrote: >> >> I just spoke with a very nice CBC producer person below who... >> >> 1. never heard of Health Council of Canada >> 2. Never heard that "lifestyle" factors are not the primary determinants >> of health.. >> 3. And so on.. >> >> Please help! :-( >> >> Maybe a NICE email to her telling who you are any why we are getting tired >> of banging our heads against the wall. >> >> dr >> >> From: "Lu Zhou" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: 01/03/2011 11:59 AM >> Subject: your comment >> ------------------------------ >> >> Hello Dennis, >> >> This is Lu Zhou from Metro Morning at CBC. >> >> You comments on the CBC Live Right Now initiative was forwarded to me. >> >> Could you give me a call to further discuss it ? >> >> 416-205-5828 >> >> thanks >> >> Lu >> >> ******************************* >> Lu Zhou >> >> Producer, "Metro Morning" >> CBC Radio One , FM 99.1 >> Phone: 416-205-5828* >> **http://www.cbc.ca/metromorning* <http://www.cbc.ca/metromorning> >> >> >> To leave, manage or join list: >> https://listserv.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=sdoh&A=1 >> >> > To leave, manage or join list: > https://listserv.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=sdoh&A=1 > > To leave, manage or join list: > https://listserv.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=sdoh&A=1 > > > To leave, manage or join list: > https://listserv.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=sdoh&A=1 > > To leave, manage or join list: https://listserv.yorku.ca/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=sdoh&A=1