Dear List, A small point, but the Russian mathematician Nicolai Lobachevsky was not a plagiarist. Tom Lehrer did the memory of a creative mathematician a disservice, when he chose him for his amusing song. A greater point, though, is that all of the examples of scientific controversy Mason Gaffney adduces were not matters of pure math, or even scientific knowledge per se, but instances where science made claims for changing current social and political authorities and arrangements. As Augustine of Hippo suggested, ideals like purity and motive and freedom from prejudice largely exist to remind us of how completely sinful and bent we poor sinners are, in mind, body and spirit. I think the comparison of economists to presidents--while not perfectly apt as economists (as economists) are not in any way representatives of a democratic polity--rests on the territory economics occupies. Economists do make claims to change current social and political arrangements, based on a superior theoretical understanding or science. Therefore their scientific territory is exactly that political terrain that provokes debates, which gets close to the sort of public claims presidents have to make and defend. Best, Erik Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Societies for the History of Economics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of mason gaffney Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:10 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [SHOE] "Inside Job" and code of ethics for economists Rob Tye writes: "But it is interesting to consider the question, why compare economists to recent US presidents? Why not say, Professors of Pure Mathematics? For I think only a satirist would suggest an oath of truthfulness even needful, regarding Pure Maths." The name "Lobachevsky" comes to mind. "The new math" - that became a political football. Darwin, pro and con, is as political as they come. Malthus? Eugenics? Anthropogenic global warming? Medicine? Pest control? Lysenko? Astronomy? Geocentrism surely died hard. No, purity of motive and freedom from prejudice hardly can be assumed in any discipline. Regretfully, Mason Gaffney