On 1/15/2014 1:22 PM, Scot Stradley wrote: > I think it is strange to refer to Marx as "a champion of > human self-determination and self-realization". I know > this sounds like Fromm's Man Makes Himself, but this is > not a correct interpretation of Marx. Human psychology is > class psychology and there is no escaping the limits of > class ideology. I'm not seeing the contradiction. It is also the case that we cannot escape the constraints of gravity. Are you implying that someone who acknowledges gravity (e.g. Marx in The German Ideology) cannot be a "champion of human self-determination and self-realization"? A throw-away quote seems in order: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/ "Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it." But more helpful I suppose would be to point to the dialogue between Aranovitch and Allen in the Canadian Journal of Philosophy. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40231153 http://www.jstor.org/stable/40231154 http://www.jstor.org/stable/40231155 Cheers, Alan Isaac