I would imagine that at least some list members are familiar with the Lincoln-Douglas debates, given the focus on that general period, so I'm hoping someone can point me to the exchange I'm interested in. Here is my *recollection* of the exchange that dates from a good 50 years ago, so it may not be very accurate. Douglas had just extolled a particular thinker and said something like this: "No man has ever dived more deeply into the fountain of knowledge and learning." "No," said Lincoln, "nor come up dryer." Any help will be greatly appreciated. Denis Donovan - - - Denis M. Donovan, M.D., M.Ed., F.A.P.S. Director, EOCT Institute Medical Director, 1983 - 2006 The Children's Center for Developmental Psychiatry St. Petersburg, Florida P.O Box 47576 St. Petersburg, FL 33743-7576 Phone: 727-641-8905 [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Please reply to: [log in to unmask] - - - Времена сложные, дураков много. — Алексaндр Романович Лурия These are complex times, many fools around. Alexandr Romanovich Luria in: Goldberg, Elkhanon (2001). The Executive Brain: Frontal Lobes and the Civilized Mind. New York: Oxford University Press, p. 16. Perhaps Goldberg should have listened to Luria . . .