Mallory, Unfortunately, the forum doesn't seem to allow file attachments. I'd be happy to provide a link for forum members to these pictures if you would send them to me. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mallory Howard Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:26 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara We have the original photograph in an Onteora album in our collection. I ju= st looked at it and it is simply labeled "Miss Susie and Clara Clemens 1890= " with no obvious indication of what order was meant (it was written vertical= ly in the margin). Here is the image along with two close ups of Susy and C= lara.=20 I have also attached an additional image of Clara. I work with these images= quite often and I believe that Clara is the one in the white dress closest= to the camera while Susy is farther away.=20 Mallory Howard Assistant Curator The Mark Twain House & Museum [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Mac Don= nell Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:05 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara You may not be wrong. I tried magnifying that photo in Steve's book and I'm= still not certain. If I have time later today I'll compare it to other Cla= ra and Susy images from about that same time (some are on loan to the Hartf= ord exhibit, so I may not even have the ones on hand that I think I do). Th= e published location of that larger image would be helpful. If I recall, it= shows their faces close up and not the entire wagon. Kevin @ Mac Donnell Rare Books 9307 Glenlake Drive Austin TX 78730 512-345-4139 Member: ABAA, ILAB ************************* You may browse our books at: www.macdonnellrarebooks.com -----Original Message----- From: Carl J. Chimi Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:08 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara In fairness, your book's caption for the picture does not actually =3D spec= ify which girl is which. It only identifies them as Susy and Clara, =3D in= that order. But, given the composition of the photograph, it would =3D no= t be a farfetched inference to draw that Suzy is the foreground girl =3D on= the left, and Clara in the background on the right. The other book =3D th= at published that picture (the title of which escapes me) does =3D identify= them in that way, if I recall correctly. And that's exactly what I suspect they ain't. It bothered me from the =3D = first time I saw the picture in the other book. But I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. I'm more curious as to how (short =3D = of there being verifiable contemporaneous written identifications of =3D re= asonable provenance) any modern person could authoritatively identify =3D t= hose two girls as Clara and Susy, and which is which. I guess it's these really, really small insignificant mysteries that =3D ma= ke scholars, eh? =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D80=3D20 Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve =3D Cou= rtney Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:33 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara Carl, that's in the Mark Twain House collection but I won't be there to =3D= che=3D3D ck till next Wednesday -- I've labeled it as being one of the =3D 1890 Onteora =3D3D Park pix, and must (I hope) have had some solid basis = =3D for doing that. Stay =3D3D tuned.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D From the wor= k Tracy =3D Brindle (MT House Chief Curator), Mallory Howard (her p=3D3D ar= tner in =3D crime) and I did early this year in preparation for the "In His F=3D3D =3D = ather's Image" exhibition at the MT House that's running currently -- an = =3D ex=3D3D ploration of the three daughters and their lives -- I'd say alm= ost =3D certainl=3D3D y that Clara is in the front, with the expression you= =3D describe, and Susy --=3D3D likewise -- is in the back.=3D3D0A=3D3D = =3D3D0A=3D3D =3D Best,=3D3D0A=3D3D Steve=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A= =3D3D Steve Courtney=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D Special Projects=3D3D0A=3D3D The Mark = Twain House & Museum=3D3D0A=3D3D 351 Farmington Avenue=3D3D0A=3D3D Hartford, Connecticut 06105=3D3D0A=3D3D 860-302-8969=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D ________________________________________=3D3D0A=3D3D From: Mark Twain Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Carl J. Chimi =3D [c= chim=3D3D [log in to unmask]]=3D3D0A=3D3D Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:29 PM=3D3D0A=3D3D To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D You're certa= inly =3D right, Barbara. I've seen many photos reproduced in=3D3D0A=3D3D re= verse, or =3D misidentified. I didn't have this before me when I wrote the= =3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D original post, but the picture can be found in Steve= Courtney's =3D delightful=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D book "'The Loveliest House Tha= t Ever Was'" on =3D page 119. I've also seen it=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D in one o= ther book I've read =3D within the last decade, but I can't remember=3D3D0A= =3D3D which book.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D The girl I think is Clara ha= s a slightly mischievous look about =3D her that I=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D associ= ate with young Clara's personality. The =3D other girl has a sadness in=3D= 3D =3D3D0A=3D3D her eyes that I associate with =3D Susie, especially around= the time of her Bry=3D3D n=3D3D0A=3D3D Mawr days; she =3D also bears a res= emblance to pictures of the young Sam=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D Clemens.=3D3D0A=3D3D = =3D3D0A=3D3D Carl=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D -----Original =3D Message-----= =3D3D0A=3D3D From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =3D Barbara= =3D3D0A=3D3D Schmidt=3D3D0A=3D3D Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:55 PM=3D3D0A=3D3D To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D Carl,=3D3D0A= =3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D I do not have that photo in front of me at the mome= nt, but =3D from your=3D3D0A=3D3D description, I seem to recall it was take= n at Quarry =3D Farm. I think=3D3D0A=3D3D sometimes part of the confusion = in photo =3D identification comes when photos=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D are reprint= ed from =3D negatives/plates and are unintentionally "reversed" or=3D3D =3D= 3D0A=3D3D =3D "flipped." Without knowing who holds the original print or n= egative of =3D thi=3D3D s=3D3D0A=3D3D photo, it may be difficult to correct= ly pin down the =3D person on the left or=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D right in the fr= ame and then determine =3D if subsequent reprintings are=3D3D0A=3D3D identi= fied correctly.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D Barb=3D3D0A=3D3D=20