By the way, I will certainly stop by the House in October to see that exhibit. I wish I lived closer. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Courtney Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:20 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara Carl, thanks for sharing that in a way that all can see and Mallory, thanks= for confirming that the photo was in the Onteora Park series. I agree with= Mallory that Susy is clearly on the right and Clara on the left -- and tha= t I could have made this clearer in the caption!=0A= =0A= As you have my book, compare the pictures of the girls (somewhat younger) o= n page 47 and their respective facial features seem clear. =0A= =0A= You asked how long our exhibit on the daughters -- "In Their Father's Imag= e" -- will be up. In fact it's through January 24, so there's lots of time = to see this thoughtful and popular exhibit. The New York Times wrote it up:= =0A= =0A= http://tinyurl.com/jppy9fd=0A= =0A= Knowing what happens to text on the Forum when I post (whether in plain tex= t or not) this URL may be impossible to read, even as a "tiny" URL. If it i= s, search "new york times," "mark twain" and "in their father's image" and = you'll find the story.=0A= =0A= Best,=0A= Steve=0A= =0A= =0A= Steve Courtney=0A= Special Projects=0A= The Mark Twain House & Museum=0A= 351 Farmington Avenue=0A= Hartford, Connecticut 06105=0A= 860-302-8969=0A= =0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Mark Twain Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mallory Howard [mall= [log in to unmask]]=0A= Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:26 AM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=0A= =0A= We have the original photograph in an Onteora album in our collection. I ju= =3D=0A= st looked at it and it is simply labeled "Miss Susie and Clara Clemens 1890= =3D=0A= "=0A= with no obvious indication of what order was meant (it was written vertical= =3D=0A= ly in the margin). Here is the image along with two close ups of Susy and C= =3D=0A= lara.=3D20=0A= I have also attached an additional image of Clara. I work with these images= =3D=0A= quite often and I believe that Clara is the one in the white dress closest= =3D=0A= to the camera while Susy is farther away.=3D20=0A= =0A= =0A= Mallory Howard=0A= Assistant Curator=0A= The Mark Twain House & Museum=0A= [log in to unmask] =0A= =0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Mac Don= =3D=0A= nell=0A= Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:05 AM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=0A= =0A= You may not be wrong. I tried magnifying that photo in Steve's book and I'm= =3D=0A= still not certain. If I have time later today I'll compare it to other Cla= =3D=0A= ra and Susy images from about that same time (some are on loan to the Hartf= =3D=0A= ord exhibit, so I may not even have the ones on hand that I think I do). Th= =3D=0A= e published location of that larger image would be helpful. If I recall, it= =3D=0A= shows their faces close up and not the entire wagon.=0A= =0A= Kevin=0A= @=0A= Mac Donnell Rare Books=0A= 9307 Glenlake Drive=0A= Austin TX 78730=0A= 512-345-4139=0A= Member: ABAA, ILAB=0A= *************************=0A= You may browse our books at:=0A= www.macdonnellrarebooks.com=0A= =0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: Carl J. Chimi=0A= Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:08 AM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=0A= =0A= In fairness, your book's caption for the picture does not actually =3D3D sp= ec=3D=0A= ify which girl is which. It only identifies them as Susy and Clara, =3D3D = in=3D=0A= that order. But, given the composition of the photograph, it would =3D3D = no=3D=0A= t be a farfetched inference to draw that Suzy is the foreground girl =3D3D = on=3D=0A= the left, and Clara in the background on the right. The other book =3D3D = th=3D=0A= at published that picture (the title of which escapes me) does =3D3D identi= fy=3D=0A= them in that way, if I recall correctly.=0A= =0A= And that's exactly what I suspect they ain't. It bothered me from the =3D3= D =3D=0A= first time I saw the picture in the other book.=0A= =0A= But I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. I'm more curious as to how (short =3D3= D =3D=0A= of there being verifiable contemporaneous written identifications of =3D3D = re=3D=0A= asonable provenance) any modern person could authoritatively identify =3D3D= t=3D=0A= hose two girls as Clara and Susy, and which is which.=0A= =0A= I guess it's these really, really small insignificant mysteries that =3D3D = ma=3D=0A= ke scholars, eh? =3D3DF0=3D3D9F=3D3D98=3D3D80=3D3D20=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= =0A= Carl=0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve =3D3D C= ou=3D=0A= rtney=0A= Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:33 PM=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=0A= =0A= Carl, that's in the Mark Twain House collection but I won't be there to =3D= 3D=3D=0A= che=3D3D3D ck till next Wednesday -- I've labeled it as being one of the = =3D3D=0A= 1890 Onteora =3D3D3D Park pix, and must (I hope) have had some solid basis = =3D=0A= =3D3D for doing that. Stay =3D3D3D tuned.=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D = From the wor=3D=0A= k Tracy =3D3D Brindle (MT House Chief Curator), Mallory Howard (her p=3D3D3= D ar=3D=0A= tner in =3D3D=0A= crime) and I did early this year in preparation for the "In His F=3D3D3D = =3D3D =3D=0A= ather's Image" exhibition at the MT House that's running currently -- an = =3D=0A= =3D3D ex=3D3D3D ploration of the three daughters and their lives -- I'd say= alm=3D=0A= ost =3D3D certainl=3D3D3D y that Clara is in the front, with the expression= you=3D=0A= =3D3D describe, and Susy --=3D3D3D likewise -- is in the back.=3D3D3D0A= =3D3D3D =3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D Best,=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Steve=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0= A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D=0A= =3D3D3D Steve Courtney=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D Special Projects=3D3D3D0A=3D3D= 3D The Mark =3D=0A= Twain House & Museum=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= 351 Farmington Avenue=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= Hartford, Connecticut 06105=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= 860-302-8969=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= ________________________________________=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= From: Mark Twain Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Carl J. Chimi =3D3D = [c=3D=0A= chim=3D3D3D [log in to unmask]]=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:29 PM=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D You'= re certa=3D=0A= inly =3D3D right, Barbara. I've seen many photos reproduced in=3D3D3D0A=3D3= D3D re=3D=0A= verse, or =3D3D misidentified. I didn't have this before me when I wrote t= he=3D=0A= =3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D original post, but the picture can be found = in Steve=3D=0A= Courtney's =3D3D delightful=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D book "'The Loveliest H= ouse Tha=3D=0A= t Ever Was'" on =3D3D page 119. I've also seen it=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D = in one o=3D=0A= ther book I've read =3D3D within the last decade, but I can't remember=3D3D= 3D0A=3D=0A= =3D3D3D which book.=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D The girl I think= is Clara ha=3D=0A= s a slightly mischievous look about =3D3D her that I=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3= D associ=3D=0A= ate with young Clara's personality. The =3D3D other girl has a sadness in= =3D3D=3D=0A= 3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D her eyes that I associate with =3D3D Susie, especially = around=3D=0A= the time of her Bry=3D3D3D n=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Mawr days; she =3D3D also bea= rs a res=3D=0A= emblance to pictures of the young Sam=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D Clemens.=3D3D3D= 0A=3D3D3D =3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Carl=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D -----Original =3D3D = Message-----=3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =3D3D Barbara= =3D=0A= =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Schmidt=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:55 PM=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D=0A= To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Carl= ,=3D3D3D0A=3D=0A= =3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D I do not have that photo in front of me at = the mome=3D=0A= nt, but =3D3D from your=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D description, I seem to recall it wa= s take=3D=0A= n at Quarry =3D3D Farm. I think=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D sometimes part of the conf= usion =3D=0A= in photo =3D3D identification comes when photos=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D are= reprint=3D=0A= ed from =3D3D negatives/plates and are unintentionally "reversed" or=3D3D3D= =3D3D=3D=0A= 3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D "flipped." Without knowing who holds the original print = or n=3D=0A= egative of =3D3D thi=3D3D3D s=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D photo, it may be difficult to= correct=3D=0A= ly pin down the =3D3D person on the left or=3D3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D right i= n the fr=3D=0A= ame and then determine =3D3D if subsequent reprintings are=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D = identi=3D=0A= fied correctly.=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D Barb=3D3D3D0A=3D3D3D= =3D20=0A=