I lurk in this forum as I have much more to learn than I have to offer as regards our friend Clemens. But it seems to me that a man who once said, "When the others drink, I like to help..." wouldn't take much offense at a stray sentence or two about beer in a forum in his honor. What he might be offended by is condescending intimidation of the discussion by self-important stuffed shirts who believe that education can only take place in a rigid, joyless and sterile environment. Perhaps that is why the only degrees he ever received were honorary. Cheers, Barry Crimmins