Wes, The re-post from Marcus Parsons this morning shows that Clemens may have been mistaken in saying that the preacher in question was Alexander Campbell (1788-1866), since Campbell's only recorded visits to Hannibal were in 1845 and 1852, and neither year coincides with Clemens's memory of when the incident occurred. Nevertheless, Clemens consistently *said* it was Campbell, which is quite enough for your purposes. In fact, the point you're making in that paragraph scarcely depends on who the preacher really was, and neither you (nor your source, Lauber) even name the victim. All you really need to establish is that there is a factual basis for the anecdote itself. To that end one can say at least that Clemens told the story often, and with great consistency he attributed the irreverent substitutions to his friend and fellow apprentice Wales R. McCormick, even as he uniformly assigned the role of horrified minister to the Reverend Alexander Campbell. Just about all the other details of what happened, and when, vary between versions, but that variation doesn't prove the story *isn't* based on fact. After all, we know Mark Twain liked to "get hold of true stories to tell them in his own fashion." One such version occurs in the notebooks, sometime in August 1887: "Rev. Alex Campbell, founder of the Campbellites, gently reproved our apprentice, Wales McCormick, on separate occasions, for saying Great God! when Great Scott would have done as well, & for committing the Unforgiven Sin when *any* other form of expression would have been a million times better. Weeks afterward, that inveterate light-head had his turn, & corrected the Reverend. In correcting the pamphlet-proof of one of Campbell's great sermons, Wales changed `Great God!' to `Great Scott,' & changed Father, Son & Holy Ghost to Father, Son & Caesar's Ghost. In overrunning, he reduced it to Father, Son & Co., to keep *from* overrunning. And Jesus *H.* Christ." (*Notebooks & Journals* 3, 305) In "Villagers, 1840-3" Clemens listed Wales McCormick among those he remembered from Hannibal, identifying him solely by writing "J--s H. C." after his name (*Indians,* 98). You might also want to consult the Biographical Directory note on McCormick in *Indians* (332-333) which quotes from yet another set of autobiographical notes written in 1898, now in MTP: "Wales inserted five names between the Savior's first & last names--said he reckoned Rev. Campbell will be satisfied now Took trouble `run over' to get this joke in." You can't tell from Lauber what he's basing his summary on, but it is probably the autobiographical dictation of 29 March 1906, which Paine printed with reasonable accuracy in volume 2 of the *Autobiography* (275-291, see especially 279-282). It is certainly there that Clemens emphasized what you're talking about, namely his boyhood attraction to McCormick's "limitless and adorable irreverence." Obviously Clemens could have fixed consistently but mistakenly on Campbell as the preacher in question. And he freely varied all the other particulars of the story so that one might be hard pressed to come up with "just the facts." Still, I would say the story is clearly based on a real event or events. In late October 1878, while in Italy, Clemens observed to himself in his notebook: "It is like old times to look in the local Italian guide-books & find the Savior naively referred to as `J. C.'" (*Notebooks & Journals* 2:233). What else could that mean except that the initials reminded him of some real event in the "old times"? It would take a real search through Hannibal newspapers that, so far as we know, do not survive in complete files, to find out just who the preacher was if he was not Campbell. Clemens is very particular about the details in his 1906 dictation, saying for instance that the sermon being published by Ament's job office was addressed to the people out of doors, etc. Clearly you don't need to establish all the facts to use the example as you want to use it. Even in the absence of such a search, we wouldn't necessarily conclude that the preacher was *not* Campbell. The rule of thumb around here, after checking into thousands of such "memories," is that if Clemens said something occurred, but you can't now confirm it, the chances are overwhelming that *you* are at fault, not Clemens. I hope this is helpful. Bob Hirst MTP On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Wesley Britton ([log in to unmask]) wrote: > Larry M (is that Marsden or Marshberne, are there two Larry Ms?) > tells me the following passage about McCormick and "Jesus H. > Christ" from my book is based on erroneous information. He says > sometime on the Forum, this issue was discussed. Can you all let > me know what I missed? > > John Lauber recounts the incident in which McCormick, trying to > save space in a Courier issue, took a visiting preacher's notice > and condensed the "Jesus Christ" to the initials "J. C." The > preacher objected to this, and informed McCormick that he expected > the savior's name to be printed in full. McCormick took heed; the > next notice was published with the savior's name in full in every > instance--"Jesus H. Christ" (35). This oft-mentioned incident was > the sort of irreverence young Sam enjoyed and quickly emulated. >