Item Subject: Message text > CLICK4HP participants ... > > I certainly admit to enjoying the "banter" about "what health promotion is all > about", but I must admit to not always fully understanding exactly what is meant > > by the three main players in the current discussion. It would be more helpful > for me, as an example ... if when Blake says "it is problematic to justify > structural change only in terms of it's potential to bring about behaviour > change"... there was also an example of what was meant by structural change or > further discussion of the statement through the use of an example. In this > statement, how are you defining structural change? Do you mean development of > city wide bike paths with supporting policy, or do you mean legistrated shorter > work weeks, or are you talking about greater structural changes such as changing how laws are passed or how decisions are made for the "collective whole"? > > Abstract discussions of philosophy/approaches, theory and individual > understandings of what health promotion means ... expand the understanding of > all who participate. But the operative word is participate. There is limited > opportunity to ask for clarification in a spontaneous way in this virtual forum. > > It may be different for others, but I find that I have forgotten why I asked the question (asked for clarification) by the time I get the answer!! > > My intent is not to deter people from writing, or to suggest that all > discussions are difficult to follow or understand. But some are! I have just > noticed that this particular discussion is currently dominated by few people vs the larger number who were involved at the beginning. I wonder if there are > others who are not participating in the discussion because they are not sure > exactly what is being said and thus can not respond? > > Simply language, rich with examples, is INCLUSIVE! > > e-you soon??! > > Debbie Bang > Coordinator/Researcher > St. Joseph s Community Health Centre > Consumer Health Information Centre > 2757 King Street East > Hamilton, Ontario L8G 5E4 > (905) 573-7777 ext. 8054 > (905) 573-4828 FAX > [log in to unmask] > > > > > Michel, I still feel that it is problematic to justify structural change > > only in terms of it's potential to bring about behaviour change, esp. as > > this is most often interpreted in terms of "lifestyle" behaviours. And, I > > do not accept that because a broader focus or more expansive/progressive > > social change focus is difficult to define that it should not be part of > > the hp agenda... which reminds me of people who defend capitalism because > > they can't imagine what else one would replace it with... though I don't > > mean to put words in your mouth, but rather am trying to draw out some of > > the possible implications or unintended consequences of what I heard your > > position to be... which perhaps I have not adequately understood. I > > thought that Dennis' example of the justifications for child care nicely > > illustrates some of these issues, and argues for general well-being and > > social justice as appropriate ends in themselves. > > > > Anyway, those are my thoughts. I'd welcome comments/criticism from any > > readers out there. > > > > [log in to unmask] > > >