To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Smouching Toward... On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:52:18 -0400, Mary Boewe wrote: As I sit on my couch and crouch over dictionaries, I realize I cannot vouch for the fact that "smouch" rhymed with "ouch" in Mark Twain's America. But, as implied in my recent note via e-mail pouch, I accept the OED pronunciation until smOOch can be legitimately documented. Sorry to be such a grOOch! > Mary Boewe _______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:32:28 -0700 Very sensible. The distinguished *Century Dictionary* (volume 5), published 1890-91, is a fully American authority for "smouch" (rhymes with ouch). Also, *Webster's Third New International Dictionary,* published in 1981 and an eminently distinguished work in its own right, gives the same (ouch) pronunciation for the 4th form of the word, meaning to get by stealing or trickery. By contrast, for the first form, meaning a slobbery smacking kiss, it gives two pronunciations, first "smooch" then "smouch" (rhymes with ouch). The inference is that the older, British form even for a slobbery kiss was pronounced like ouch. When Josephine Hobby typed up Mark Twain's dictation for 19 November 1906, which he subsequently went over and corrected in ink, she typed "smouched," not "smooched." And even though Ramsay and Emberson (*Mark Twain Lexicon*) say that Mark Twain's spelling in a 1935 edition of "*Slovenly Peter* probably indicates his usual pronunication" (smooch), a check of the manuscript shows that Mark Twain spelled it "smouch," as he did invariably elsewhere. So the 1935 printer's pronunciation may have been "smooch" but Mark Twain's was in all likelihood "smouch" (rhymes with ouch). Bob Hirst ================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:22:31 PST Well, now, if we forget the OED and rely upon common pronunciation (by no means a safe or sure guarantee of accuracy), then it is smOOch; such at least is the way I heard it and pronounced it when I was a young tad up in the great Northwest and the Snohomish river valley. So I guess I will stick with the Americanese I am familiar and comfortable with. dennis eddings =================================================== The discussion is about Mark Twain's use of the word "smouch," not Eddings' or Camfield's. Bob Hirst's answer is the definitive reply. --MB