With all due respect (no pun intended) - get real!
On what planet is being respectful and non-judgmental (even of those of us
who drive SUVs - and by the way live in the country and need the 4 X4 option
for our rural, underserviced, ignored roads) an impediment to challenging,
forthright discussions and careful examination of our work????
This list serv is NOT a family discussion around the kitchen table - it is a
public and valuable forum for an open exchange of ideas - I wonder how
willing our valued colleagues are going to be to ask questions on this list
serv when they know that they can be ridiculed (yes, that's what it was) for
their ideas / work??? We all have facilitated groups, coalitions and
meetings where we encourage a free flow of thoughts and ideas and that while
you may not agree with an individual's opinion, it does not make that
opinion any less valuable.
There are certainly MANY other ways someone as gifted as you, Dennis, could
have expressed your opinion and challenged the approach while not passing
your own personal judgement on someone's work.
This exchange has impeded the very causes that you champion, Dennis, not
enhanced it.
Annamaria Feltracco
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robb Travers" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: respect on the listserv
> nicely said -- both Marie and Julie -- if we get distracted by
> overly-cautious 'e-mail etiquette' we lose sight of the challenges being
> presented to us here -- and they are challenges that our field needs to
grab
> hold of it is to have any serious impact on health.
>
>
> Robb Travers, Ph.D (c)
> Research Associate,
> HIV/AIDS Social Research Group
> KTH 208, McMaster University,
> Hamilton, ON
> 905 977-7622
>
> Research Affiliate,
> HIV Social, Behavioural & Epidemiological Studies Unit,
> Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto,
> Toronto, ON
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Hill" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: February 5, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: respect on the listserv
>
>
> > I agree with Marie (and Robb et al..) that we need to continuously
> > scrutinize our work (and that of our peers) and ask the hard questions
> > about it to make sure that we are truly serving "the public good", not
> only
> > the needs of our own professions/areas of interest. I have followed
these
> > "respect on the listserve" conversations with great interest, as it is
in
> > this challenging of assumptions that great learning can come about.
> >
> > (John Ralston Saul explained this concept very well in his talk to the
> > Ontario Public Health Association Conference in November--I believe he
> > discusses this notion of serving "the public good" in his latest book.)
> >
> > Julie Hill, RN, BScN
> > Youth Health Team
> > Family and Community Resources Division
> > Region of Waterloo Public Health
> > 99 Regina St. S. Waterloo, ON N2J 4V3
> > (519) 883-2003 Extension 5763 Fax: (519) 883-2241
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Marie Klaassen
> > <mklaasse@TORONTO To:
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> > .CA> cc:
> > Sent by: Health Fax to:
> > Promotion on the Subject: Re: respect on
> the listserv
> > Internet
> > <[log in to unmask]
> > A>
> >
> >
> > 02/05/2003 01:29
> > PM
> > Please respond to
> > Health Promotion
> > on the Internet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I do, at times, pine for the days when we could all debate and let
strong
> > and heated opinions fly around in the hopes that we might move one
another
> > to new places in our thinking. It makes me sad to note that, as a
> culture,
> > we all seem much more delicate and protective of our own piece of the
pie
> > and this hampers our collective efforts to alter the systems in which we
> > work, and push for improvements in the health of the communities we
serve.
> >
> > When our defenses kick into gear over a statement or a response, it is
> > vitally important to ask ourselves why? and answer that question
honestly.
> > If the answer is only because someone's passionate response came across
as
> > rude - look past that to make sure you're not missing important content,
> > and move on!
> >
> > I, personally, look forward to the debates that are posted on this site
> > because true exchange of ideas if often absent from so many other
sectors
> > of our lives.
> >
> >
> > ______________________________
> > Marie Klaassen
> > Health Education Consultant
> > Planning and Policy
> > Toronto Public Health
> >
> > e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > fax: 416-338-0921
> > phone: 416-338-0954
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 02/05/03 12:26pm >>>
> > I wonder on this listserv if people confuse "challenges" to the
mainstream
> > way of "doing" health promotion for rudeness. We all know (or we
should)
> > that health is a highly political and ideological field. Debate is
going
> > to
> > be charged and heated at times. This listserv won't advance ideas about
> > health -- or health for that matter -- without debate. saying "I don't
> > disagree with you", or "there is no evidence to support such programs"
or
> > that something is "ideological" is not rude..... it is simply
disagreeing
> > with a dominant paradigm in health promotion. I read these kinds of
> > postings as challenging us to listen and pay attention to new evidence
> > which
> > is showing there are bigger fish to fry than smokers. that's rude?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Andres" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: February 5, 2003 11:22 AM
> > Subject: respect on the listserv
> >
> >
> > > Dennis
> > > It is important that we feel passionate about our work and our ideas.
I
> > > agreed with one of the postings that this listserv is not about
sternly
> > and
> > > tersely chastisng other people's ideas. By doing so, presents a
> superior
> > > type of attitude which is not what this listserv is about. Health
> > > promotion and population health is about reducing inequity not
> increasing
> > > it. I think if you strongly disagree with a posting, rather than
rudely
> > > commenting on this listserv, that you keep those kind of comments
silent
> > or
> > > share them off this listserv.
> > > I agree that some of the information you post is useful. The
> > inappropriate
> > > and rude comments are unnecessary. This listserv is used by many
people
> > > and should be a respectful place to post ideas, questions and
comments.
> > At
> > > times, Dennis, your comments are not respectful at all. Again, I
remind
> > > you of the concepts of Health Promotion is about social justice and
> > > reducing social inequity. This listserv is not your personal sounding
> > > board of ideas and opinions. If you cannot be respectful to others
in
> > > your postings, please do not post them in a public forum.
> > > Karen
> > >
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