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[log in to unmask] (Doug Mackenzie)
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Wed Dec 20 16:34:41 2006
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> I certainly agree that Mises rejected   
> equilibrium, and many other particular doctrines   
> as well. Of course, one can ask, if equilibrium   
> (and hence equity) is not possible even in   
> principle, than what rationale remains for the   
> system?   
  
The rationale is that Mises saw capitalism as a  
progresive system, one where living standards would  
improve continually, though never reach any global  
optimum- because there is no such state, only trends  
towards progress and decline.   
  
But laying that question aside, the   
> reason for regarding Mises as the purest form of   
> neoclassicism involves the basic assumptions of   
> neoclassicism, namely the self-interest   
> maximizing, autonomous individual.   
  
  
Mises assumed no such thing. If you read Human Action  
you would know that Mises assumed only that  
individuals undertake purposeful actions. Mises  
allowed for altruism, self sacrifice, and blind  
determination. As for being autonomous, Mises saw this  
a purely fictional. Moreover, Mises rejected the  
notion of an isolated autonomous man as a part of his  
theory-  
  
  
"If praxeology speaks of the solitary individual,  
acting on his own behalf only and independent of  
fellow men, it does so for the sake of a better  
comprehension of the problems of social cooperation.  
We do not assert that such isolated autarkic human  
beings have ever lived and that the social stage of  
man's history was preceded by an age of independent  
individuals roaming like animals in search of food.  
The biological humanization of man's nonhuman  
ancestors and the emergence of the primitive social  
bonds were effected in the same process. Man appeared  
on the scene of earthly events as a social being. The  
isolated asocial man is a fictitious construction."   
Human Action, part 2, chapter 8  
  
Now, the   
> existence of such an individual is doubtful, and   
> cannot be confirmed from psychology, from   
> anthropology, or from introspection. Hence it   
> must be, logically, a pure a priori without any   
> empirical foundation. While this is implicit in   
> all of neoclassicism, it is explicit in Mises,   
  
No it is not explicit, but explicitely denied. I have  
to wonder where you got such a false impression of  
Mises.   
  
   
> I do believe that Mises is absolutely right about   
> capitalist equilibrium;   
  
TO Mises capitalism has no equilibrium. I thought I  
had already made this clear in my last post.  
  
  
the system cannot (and   
> certainly has not) delivered what it promises.   
  
The only claims that Mises made regarding capitalism  
is that the increase in living standards and total  
population in and 19th centuries was made possible by  
the adoption of capitalism over mercantilism, and that  
this progress would continue- provided that people  
rejected socialism. Given the results of Bolshevism  
and Nazism (Mises' two main targets, explicitely) it  
is clear that he was right.   
  
  
In   
> order to reach any semblance of equilibrium,   
> distributional issues will have to be taken into   
> account, and distribution not merely of incomes   
> but of wealth-producing assets, such as land,   
> tools and education. Neoclassicism therefore   
> promises what it cannot deliver, and the   
> steroidal neoclassicism of Mises honestly   
> discards the promise. And while I disagree with   
> the system, I must admire the honesty.  
  
Well, I actually have a paper on the distributional  
issues with Mises and Lange- close to being published  
in ROPE (I can send you a copy directly, but the HES  
list does not allow attachments to  pass through). So  
Mises did address distributional issues. As for your  
'semblance of  equilibrium' remark, I must again  
emphasize that Mises saw equilibrium as nothing more  
than a pure thought experiment, pure fiction, fantasy.  
Your insistence that Mises beleived in equilibrium and  
autonomous maximizers proves only that you do not  
understand his work. Reading Mises is hard, but  
attacking him prior to doing so is absurd.   
  
DW MacKenzie  
  

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