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Wed Dec 27 08:48:34 2006
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Michael, I have a brief reply and a somewhat longer discussion of more   
specific issues. The brief reply is along the same lines as my reply to   
John M. To criticize Mises's economics without understanding his purpose   
and how he sought to achieve it is not an appropriate way to deal with   
Mises or, in my opinion, with any other writer in the history of   
economic thought. I believe that Mises would agree with most of your   
observations, except those that are critical of him.  
  
You write that "categories like 'private property, free enterprise, the   
use of money -- and individuals acting in markets' are, in my view, too   
abstract to be useful descriptions of modern institutions." If Mises's   
aim was to "describe modern institutions," such a criticism would be on   
target. But it was not. You want something from Mises that is not there   
because Mises did not intend for it to be there. Maybe your concerns are   
important, but they are not the same as Mises's concerns.  
  
Steve, it seems to me, did not express Mises's ideas on money, market   
and prices as clearly as I would have liked. Money and prices exist and   
if we want to deal with arguments relating to market intervention we   
must assume their existence. We use the term "market" to express (a) the   
sending and receipt of messages about willingnesses (i.e., offers) to   
buy and sell and (b) the making and acceptance of offers. A price is the   
medium that is used to make such offers. And prices could not be media   
without a generally accepted medium of exchange. Economics assumes a   
generally accepted medium of exchange. If, in addition, there is a   
system of private property rights and free enterprise; reasonable people   
would expect distinctly human actions to exhibit certain patterns that   
would not be reasonable to expect under different circumstances. Such   
patterns must be taken into account by those who promote market   
intervention.  
  
The "social consensus" that Steve described is, I presume, not a matter   
of faith; it is an assumption that (1) reflects the reality of economic   
life, (2) that is made by advocates of a particular market intervention   
(such as a minimum wage law), and (3) that must be assumed in evaluating   
the advocates' arguments. You use the term "social consensus" in a very   
different way.  
  
"Human action" and "economic science", are two terms used by Mises that   
seem to have attracted your attention. These terms have very specific   
meanings that are inextricably connected with Mises's goals. If you give   
them different meanings or of you claim that Mises should define them   
differently, all you are really saying is that you reject Mises's goals.   
Yet, although I do not know you personally, I doubt that you reject his   
goal of evaluating interventionist arguments and socialism with as   
compared with the market economy..  
  
Ultimately, the issues you raise reflect an unwillingness to accept   
Mises's purpose. Mises remarks about the benefits of capitalism (the   
market economy) are part of his efforts to defend capitalism against   
interventionism and socialism. If you regard them as a "world view"   
(look up the reference in Chapter Nine of Human Action), you are simply   
misunderstanding Mises.  
  
The bias you have in mind is based on your desire to achieve a goal that   
Mises did not aim to achieve in the passages to which you make reference.  
  
In fact, you probably have not thought very much about Mises's goals.   
More likely, you, like John M., are using an unwarranted criticism of   
Mises as a springboard to express your own views. I suppose that it is   
this aspect of both of your posts that disturbs me most. HES should not   
be forum for the expression of such ideas. On the other hand, a   
misinterpretation of an important writer in the history of economic   
thought should be a proper subject for HES.  
  
If Bruce understood this difference and accepted it, he would have   
commented differently on this discussion.  
  
With respect,  
  
Pat Gunning

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