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Dear Doug,

We are looking at the same data and coming to 
opposite conclusions. I must say that my criteria 
for judgment is purely Hayekian, because I 
believe that every idea deserves to be judged, in 
the first instance at least, on its own criteria. 
And on purely Hayekian grounds, I don't see any 
of the "success" that you see. Certainly, it is 
odd to find the communist gov't of China cited as 
a libertarian success story. You might be right, 
of course, but the conclusion must be that the 
libertarian ideal is broad enough to include 
socialism and communism. I don't know much about 
Sweden's economy in the period you cite, but is 
it not fair to ask, "If this supposedly Hayekian 
economy was so successful, why did the Swedes abandon it so completely?"



>I know that Reagan cut marginal income tax 
>rates. Reagan also raised social security taxes 
>and ran huge deficits, so that is a mixed bag.

We would seem to agree, then, that Reagan did try 
to implement Hayek's ideas, and that the best he 
could achieve was a "mixed bag" (your 
description) or a complete failure (my 
description.) As far as Reagan "cutting taxes" 
goes, it simply isn't true, because borrowing is 
taxing too. This can't be said often enough. To 
lower the rate and borrow the difference is not 
tax-cutting, it is tax-shifting, from the current 
generation to the next. Further, if we are 
working with deficit financing, is that not more 
Keynesian than Hayekian? Should we attribute any 
"success," such as it is, to Keynes or to Hayek? 
And was it really a success? It is very easy to 
produce the illusion of wealth by borrowing a lot 
of money. But it seems to me that our current 
economic conditions of enormous debt and 
diminishing economic power have their roots in 
Reagan. And we need to dispel the myth that 
Reagan raised revenues by cutting rates. The 
Treasury's own office of Tax Analysis shows that 
this is untrue 
(http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/tax-policy/library/ota81.pdf). 
Reagan did raise revenues--by raising taxes, and 
still managed to run record deficits.


>Dawson, John W. (2007) "Regulation and the 
>Macroeconomy." Kyklos, Blackwell Publishing, vol. 60(1), pages 15?36, 02.
>Dawson, John W. & John J. Seater (2005) "The 
>Macroeconomic Effects of Federal Regulation." 
>Working Papers 05?02, Department of Economics, Appalachian State University
>Dawson and Seater find a negative correlation 
>between regulation and growth. there was a drop 
>in the level of regulation in 1985- that one 
>year of the Reagan administration.

Yes, and I seem to remember that the most 
immediate effect was the Savings and Loan crises. Was this success?

>There was also a drop in regulation for three 
>years following the 1994 congressional election. 
>Otherwise regulation has risen for every year in 
>living memory. That is what the data shows. 
>Depite this, the US remains less regulated than 
>most nations in the world. Consequently the US 
>can be seen as more Hayekian than other nations,

Exactly! And what are the results? Unmanageable 
debts, a zero-savings rate, a bloated 
bureaucracy, a diminishing industrial base (the 
only real way to repay debts), a crumbling 
infrastructure, a financial melt-down, diminished 
labor force participation rates (giving the 
illusion of low unemployment rates), a 
health-care system in disarray, an increasingly 
stratified educational system, a growing gap 
between rich and poor, median wages static for 30 
years, etc. If this is success, I would hate to see what failure looks like.

>  but there has hardly been a Hayekian takeover. 
> There is a large literature on the correlation 
> between economic freedom and economic growth.

Does any of this literature define "economic 
freedom"? I often see the term used, and never see it defined.


>Once more, the relative degree of free commerce 
>correlates with actual results, real results, 
>actual improved performance, not in theory, but 
>in empirical observable measureable data.

But it is unclear if the data you cite supports 
Keynes or Hayek. All we can say with certainty is 
that the more one tries to be Hayekian, the more 
the deficits and the government grows.

>  The fact that Reagan was unable to translate 
> his rhetoric into large and lasting results 
> does not change the general 
> correlation  between economic freedom and 
> economic performance. The US has less ecomomic 
> freedom than libertatrians and economic 
> conservatives would like, but more economic 
> freedom that most other nations. The US also 
> happens to be quite prosperous. I have not seen 
> any credible evidence to the contrary.

This leads me to ask, "What would you accept as evidence?"


>People like Klein use examples of crony 
>capitalism to condemn free market capitalism. 
>The absurdity of this practice should be obvious.

But Doug, you miss the point. There is only crony 
capitalism. That has always been the case. It was 
the case in Adam Smith's day, when 3/4's of The 
Wealth of Nations was devoted to documenting the 
cronyism, and it is true in our day. Do you have 
some day in mind when this wasn't true? Some exception to the rule?

Oh, one more thing. You mentioned somewhere 
"privatization" as some sort of free-market 
success. Privatization does not make a gov't 
function "free market," and certainly not 
competitive. You can turn the building of roads 
and the collection of tolls over to a private 
company, but that does not make it free market, 
because you can't have competitive roads on the 
same route. The best you can do is trade a gov't 
monopoly for a private monopoly. Maybe that's 
good and maybe that's bad, but it isn't free 
market, unless your definition of the free market 
includes monopolies, in which case, "freedom" is 
a strange term here. By the way, what is your 
definition of a free market; this is another term 
that I often see used and never see defined.


John C. M?daille

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