Friedman's probing of the Cowles Commission econometricians ("the Friedman critique") led Koopmans to ask: "But what if the investigator is honest?". 

The "Friedman question" is: "under what circumstances would you abandon your pet theory?"

The Hayek question is: is your inherited wealthy sufficient to allow you to understand the "merit" in "Hayek's published ideas"?

Hayek (1949, 420-1) distinguished between “the real scholar or expert and the practical man of affairs”, and non-propertied intellectuals, who were “a fairly new phenomenon of history”, and who’s low ascribed status deprived them of what Hayek regarded as a central qualification: “experience of the working of the economic system which the administration of property gives.” 

Is Mario from the upper class?   

If not, he falls into Hayek's (1978) lower category: “So, again, what I always come back to is that the whole thing turns on the activities of those intellectuals whom I call the ‘secondhand dealers in opinion,’ who determine what people think in the long run. If you can persuade them, you ultimately reach the masses of the people.” 

According to Hayek (1949, 428), non-propertied intellectuals, “unencumbered by much knowledge of the facts of present-day life”, had to be recruited through visions: “socialist thought owes its appeal to the young largely to its visionary character; the very courage to indulge in Utopian thought is in this respect a source of strength to the socialists which traditional liberalism sadly lacks ... The intellectual, by his whole disposition, is uninterested in technical details or practical difficulties. What appeal to him are the broad visions, the specious comprehension of the social order as a whole which a planned system promises.” 

To recruit non-propertied intellectuals, Hayek (1949, 432-3) needed “to offer a new liberal program which appeals to the imagination. We must make the building of a free society once more an intellectual adventure, a deed of courage. What we lack is a liberal Utopia ... The main lesson which the true liberal must learn from the success of the socialists is that it was their courage to be Utopian which gained them the support of the intellectuals and therefore an influence on public opinion which is daily making possible what only recently seemed utterly remote.”  

Do you administer property - or have you been recruited through specious visions?  
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Rizzo" <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May, 2014 11:58:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SHOE] A "very careful scholar"

Why are we here in terms of this discussion ? Is the claim that Hayek did
not trust (South Asian) Indian scholars. Initially, I thought Leeson was
trying to say/intimate that Hayek was a racist. Now Leeson brings us some
evidence that Hayek was right not to trust (if he did not trust in his
lifetime) one particular Indian scholar.

So is the upshot that Hayek was a racist, but he would have been (or was)
right not to trust Sudha Shenoy? ...In an article she published after his
death?

So is Professor Leeson justifying Hayek's alleged racism.

Forgive my confusion. I prefer simply to study Hayek's published ideas for
their own merit. I guess I am not a proper historian of thought.

Mario Rizzo.


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Robert Leeson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Sudha Shenoy reported an empirical discovery, allegedly provided to her by
> John Burrows, Director of the Centre for Literary and Linguistic Computing:
> "The results showed a definite divergence, i.e. some other hand definitely
> played a clear part in the published text of FC [Hayek's *Fatal Conceit The
> Errors of Socialism*].”
>
> Burrows confirms: "We conducted no tests for her and reached no findings,
> tentative or otherwise."
>
> Leeson, R. 2013. Archival Insights into the Evolution of Economics Volume
> 5: Hayek: a Collaborative Biography Part 1 Influences, From Mises to
> Bartley. Basingstoke, England: Palgrave Macmillan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mario Rizzo" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May, 2014 10:43:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [SHOE] History of Indian Economy?
>
> What does the quotation from Hayek (I did not see this. Is this a
> transcript, published work of Hayek or someone's memory of what he said????
> I am not sure what.) have to do directly with Shenoy's history? Hayek could
> not have disagreed with something Sudha wrote after his own death. And with
> Sudha herself gone, we cannot ascertain what she believes Hayek thought of
> her more generally.
>
> I knew Sudha Shenoy and I remember her as a very careful scholar.
>
> I guess this is more fun than grading exams or term papers at this time of
> the year.
>
> Mario Rizzo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Robert Leeson <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Sudha Shenoy (2003), an LSE student and Hayek's first official biographer
> > ('The Order of Liberty'), recommended a return to the unstable neo-feudal
> > equilibrium (1815-1914) as the road to the Austrian future:
> >
> > "In the nineteenth century, you had for the first time a worldwide
> > economic order. You had free trade, free movement of people, free
> movement
> > of capital, a gold standard, falling prices in the latter part of the
> > century, peaceful development, and no major wars between 1815 and 1914.
> The
> > world’s armies and navies did not know what to do. Yes, there were
> > aberrations like the American Civil War and the Franco-Prussian War, but
> > mostly it was a period of peace. Forty million people moved peacefully
> > because they wanted a better life. There were no expulsions, no wars, no
> > genocides, nothing."
> >
> > Hayek was contemptuous of the intellectual quality and integrity of his
> > disciples.
> >
> > Specifically: Shenoy “could not be trusted since she was only an Indian”
> > (cited by Cubitt 2006, 344).
> >
> > Generally: "I don't have many strong dislikes. I admit that as a
> > teacher--I have no racial prejudices in general--but there were certain
> > types, and conspicuous among them the Near Eastern populations, which I
> > still dislike because they are fundamentally dishonest. And I must say
> > dishonesty is a thing I intensely dislike. It was a type which, in my
> > childhood in Austria, was described as Levantine, typical of the people
> of
> > the eastern Mediterranean. But I encountered it later, and I have a
> > profound dislike for the typical Indian students at the London School of
> > Economics, which I admit are all one type--Bengali moneylender sons. They
> > are to me a detestable type, I admit, but not with any racial feeling. I
> > have found a little of the same amongst the Egyptians--basically a lack
> of
> > honesty in them" (Hayek 1978).
> >
> > "Levantine, typical of the people of the eastern Mediterranean"? Was
> Hayek
> > referring to Jewish people?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Per L. Bylund" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 13 May, 2014 10:02:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SHOE] History of Indian Economy?
> >
> > Sudha Shenoy was an Indian economic historian who wrote on, among other
> > things, economic development and the British empire. She unfortunately
> > passed away in 2008, but she wrote some very interesting stuff, and she
> of
> > course covered the economic history of India.
> >
> > For more recent (20th century) Indian economic history, I know GP Manish
> > (currently at Troy University) has published articles on the
> > regulation/deregulation of markets as India gained independence.
> >
> >
> > PLB
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Per L. Bylund, Ph.D.
> > Baylor University
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> > (573) 268-3235
> >
> > Sent from my Microsoft Surface
> >
> > From: Justin Elardo<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎May‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎8‎:‎02‎ ‎PM
> > To: Societies for the History of Economics<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Dear Shoe Colleagues,
> >
> > At the conclusion of my political economy class today one of my students
> > asked me about the history of the Indian economy and inquired as to
> whether
> > I could reference any specific economists whose area of specialization
> > pertained to the history of the Indian economy.  As India and the Indian
> > economy are not my area of specialization, I was hard pressed to provide
> my
> > student with a substantive answer, but I promised to ask.
> >
> > As such, are there any SHOE listserv followers that have knowledge about
> > or are familiar with economists whose research pertains to the history of
> > the Indian economy?  Thank you in advance for your assistance in
> furthering
> > the education of one of my students as well as myself.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Justin A. Elardo, PhD
> > Portland Community College
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mario J. Rizzo
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>



-- 
Mario J. Rizzo
NEW YORK UNIVERSITY
Department of Economics
19 West 4th Street,
Seventh Floor (725)
New York, NY 10012
212-998-8932 (telephone, e-mail preferred)
212-995-4186 (fax)

Personal website: http://works.bepress.com/mario_rizzo

Colloquium: http://econ.as.nyu.edu/object/econ.event.colloquium

Blog:  http://thinkmarkets.wordpress.com

Book Series:
http://www.routledge.com/books/series/Routledge_Foundations_of_the_Market_Economy/