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Arild is spoiling an attractive conclusion to which I thought this thread was leading, namely that even though these two great economists are not remotely related, the two original family names are both related to the oak tree. This I thought was nice because one of the names given in Philosophie rurale to the Tableau economique is that of the tree of life. 

Since a conception of circular flow, depicted in Quesnay's tableau, is equally fundamental to Keynes's vision of the economy, I thought the oak tree could symbolise a filiation of ideas rather than a possible distant blood relation (who really cares about that?). But alas, Arild, if he is right, spoils the attractive thought that the root of their names provides an inadvertent hint at a common core of their economic theories. Oh well. We don't really need the hint, do we?




> On 8 Jul 2015, at 12:56, Arild Sæther <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> I think but I am not sure that name Cahagnes is the Norman word Kagnes. I means a point on the coast, a 'nes' in Norman, where they had a place where people was punished, some were also executed. 
> Yours Arild Sæther
> ________________________________________
> Fra: Societies for the History of Economics [[log in to unmask]] p&#229; vegne av Vlasios Missos [[log in to unmask]]
> Sendt: 6. juli 2015 23:48
> Til: [log in to unmask]
> Emne: Re: [SHOE] Keynes/Quesnay
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Skidelsky's approach on the issue, is certainly worth reminding:
> 
> "Something of the esoteric quality of Maynard Keynes's life is suggested
> by the name itself. When spelt right it is often mispronounced Keens; when
> pronounced right it is often misspelt Canes. Such are the incidental
> penalties for having come from the otherwise desirable location of
> Cahagnes in the Calvados district of Normandy. The name is probably
> derived from the late Latin word casnus, an oak..." (1983; 2)
> 
> Vlassis
> 
>> I have never had such entertaining responses to a query.  Thanks to all.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Wells, Julian <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> And as everyone knows, the English city of Milton Keynes was named to
>>> jointly honour two opposed economists …
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Julian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Societies for the History of Economics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Goodacre, Hugh
>>> *Sent:* 06 July 2015 16:18
>>> 
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SHOE] Keynes/Quesnay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> According to information in Wikipedia, Keynes was called Maynard after
>>> one
>>> of the principal characters in the film "Pulp Fiction". But as Abraham
>>> Lincoln famously stated, the problem with information found on the
>>> internet
>>> is that you can never really tell if it is genuine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> *From:* Societies for the History of Economics <[log in to unmask]> on behalf
>>> of Nicholas Theocarakis <[log in to unmask]>
>>> *Sent:* 06 July 2015 14:31
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SHOE] Keynes/Quesnay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If my memory serves me right, and I have read it ages ago - as a student
>>> of economics - in Sir Roy Harrod's *Life of John Maynard Keynes*, JMK
>>> himself had written an essay on his surname while a student at Eaton
>>> where
>>> the Calvados, [Normandy] connection is mentioned. So think of JMK, dear
>>> colleagues, before you take your next sip of apple brandy.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Chick, Victoria <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keynes  derives from Cahagnes, the name of a village in Normandy. I
>>> think
>>> I got this from the opening pages of Geoffrey Keynes’s autobiography,
>>> _*The
>>> Gates of Memory*_, but I don’t have the book with me just now.
>>> Certainly
>>> he talks about the proper pronunciation of the name there. JMK only says
>>> (somewhere) that the name is Norman French.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cahgnes is twinned with Horstead Keynes in England, doubtless because
>>> the
>>> name is, effectively, the same.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Radhika – can you cite the page ref in Skidelsky?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Victoria Chick
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Societies for the History of Economics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Radhika Desai
>>> *Sent:* 06 July 2015 02:16
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SHOE] Keynes/Quesnay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keynes’s family name was anglicized from Cain, according to Skidelsky’s
>>> biography….
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Radhika
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> *From:* Societies for the History of Economics [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *michael perelman
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 7:57 PM
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* [SHOE] Keynes/Quesnay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there any likelihood that they share the same family name except for
>>> some anglization for Keynes' family.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Michael Perelman
>>> Economics Department
>>> California State University
>>> Chico, CA
>>> 95929
>>> 
>>> 530 898 5321
>>> fax 530 898 5901
>>> http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Michael Perelman
>> Economics Department
>> California State University
>> Chico, CA
>> 95929
>> 
>> 530 898 5321
>> fax 530 898 5901
>> http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com

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