Surely there must be a question about whether flower remedies etc. "work".
It's not just 'medical model' to want evidence of effectiveness, despite the
fact that notions of evidence are dominated by approaches common in
mainstream medical research. I'm open to alternatives, but how can I know
that they're effective? Otherwise I'm vulnerable to snake oil salesmen.
How about some informed discussion about research appropriate to alternative
approaches?
-----Original Message-----
From: jaymach <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 6:48 AM
>Hi Todd
>Bach Flower remedies were discovered be Dr.Edward Bach in England in
>1920's.He proposed a theory of Heal Thyself wherein he stated that if we
>have a correct mental attitude we can maintain an excellent health.I
believe
>that there are many books on this therapy.These flower extracts are made
>from common non poisonus flowers and are absolutely safe and without any
>side effects.You may visit www.bachcentre.com for additional details.
>sanjay
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Todd E. Finnerty <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:02 AM
>
>
>>At 10:17 PM 9/14/99 +0530, you wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sasha Claire McInnes <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:04 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>>I really must get off this list - would the owners please unsub me?
>>>>
>>>>It is very dispiriting, alarming and enraging to wake up every morning
to
>>>>all the medical-model stuff you folks are promoting.
>>>>
>>
>>>>I agree with Mary Pat, in the context in which she responded, and
believe
>>>>that what Sanjay is promoting can be felt or viewed, by some, as blame
>the
>>>>victim. I'm not however, convinced that this is what he meant to do and
>>>>believe Mary Pat might have misunderstood where he was going with this
>>>>"wellness" model.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>What I hear Sanjay saying is that there are alternatives to the medical
>>>>model and that we would do well to explore them. I am in support of
this.
>>>>
>>
>>sure- if this is what hes saying.
>>
>>>>Mary Pat mentions "schizophrenia" in the same context as aids, implying
>>>>that it is a *medical* problem. Scratch the surface of the majority of
>>>>individuals with this label and you'll find a history of abuse. To
>>>>pathologize and medicalize individuals labelled thus is, in my view,
more
>>>>blame the victim and not an ethical approach to treatment for those
>who've
>>>>endured abuse. Of course, it's an easy "fix" and very lucrative for
>>>>psychiatrists and drug companies and if we continue down this road,
>>>>governments will - as in the case in the US - pay only for treatment if
>it
>>>>includes drugs. Do we want to go *there*?
>>>>
>>
>>Well... that and treatment for schizophrenia is a lot more effective when
>>you use drugs, often helping to return them to a much more "normal" state
>>of functioning. While rallying against the "medical model" you commit a
>>cartesian dualism separating the mind and body; nature and nurture. We all
>>know that its much more popular now to talk about interactions. Likewise,
>>I'm sure the majority of individuals on this list aren't interested in a
>>debate regarding the origins of schizophrenia, but I'd be wary of any
>>individuals claiming that it takes x number of generations to make a
>>schizophrenic, or any single factor like abuse plays such an all-important
>>role, etc...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>This is in reply to sasha's message
>>>As you correctly envisaged I am not for blaming the victim .What I would
>>>like to say is that self help is the best help and if flower remedies
give
>>>us stimulus for change why not.It is also true that ultimate health
>>>responsibility lies with individual but after he is absolved of mental
>>>agonies which can be done by flower remedies.After this would come the
>state
>>>of consciously changing mental attitude without medicines.
>>>sanjay .
>>>
>>
>>Sanjay, what exactly are these consciousness-altering, mental agony
>>absolving "Flower Remedies" you speak of? Can they be imported legally? Is
>>it prozac? *smirk* Can you explain what you mean by this a little more for
>>the folks at home? Would you "prescribe" these for any one with any
>>illness, for instance, and infant with aids?
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>>Springfield, MO 65806
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