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Jennifer Zinck <[log in to unmask]>
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I am not sure if this addressed to me but I used data from multiple separate tests to analyze Susan's results and all supported the same finding. 

I do not understand what is meant by "DNA process sabotage."

Jen

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> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Mike Pearson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> With kind regards and respect,
> 
> would You accept an invitation to comment about
> 
> the issue of integrity of the data You receive?
> 
> This not not an argumentative question.
> DNA process errors have made the news
> 
> quite a few times.  DNA process sabotage
> has also made the news quite a few times
> 
> (the rare but real instances of fraud by intention or negligence)
> Please grant this question some place in the dialogue.
> 
> Persons with high IQs, open hearts, backgrounds in biology
> 
> and big organizations, and respect for You
> 
> are glad to have your response.
> 
> I reviewed the book by Susan Bailey (on Amazon) and I mentioned
> 
> the DNA process in passing.  Seems to me Carkeet's a graceful writer
> 
> whose humor is engaging.  I didn't see him claim to know about DNA
> 
> personally.  His New England genealogy article's funny btw.
> 
> However this turns out, nobody has egg on their face unless they turn
> 
> renegade.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> 
> Mike Pearson
> 
> P.S.  I like the folks on this forum. You're awesome.  Am I right?
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Twain Forum <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Jennifer Zinck <jenz=
> [log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 12:15 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Twain Relatives
> 
> I am the genealogist who completed the DNA research for Carkeet's project a=
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> d the results were conclusive. I do several of this type of case each week =
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> s well as identify parents or grandparents for adoption cases and this case=
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> s results were one of the most obvious. (The clusters were a genetic geneal=
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> gist's dream.) I didn't do my research based on any tree created by Susan o=
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> David. I created my own tree for Susan utilizing the actual genetic data a=
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> it related to matches and I was able to definitively identify all of her g=
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> andparents. Although Susan did give me permission to share my conclusions, =
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> am not inclined to do so, as I don't feel it would help anyone in any way.=
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> didn't realize there is still discussion about the matter.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Jennifer Zinck
> Professional Genealogist=3D20
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Shoshana Bailey <[log in to unmask]> =
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>> I have never answered Carkeet's conclusions and I'm not now but=3D3D20
>> I will say one thing. He based a lot of his conclusion on the assumption =
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>> t I had put up a family tree and that is how I came up with the Clemens/L=
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>> donlinks. Now Barbara is addressing that same issue.=3D3D20
>> I had NOT attached a tree to my DNA for the first several years. The DNA =
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>> ches I got with Clemens and Langdon were sent to me organically by Ancest=
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>> nd FTDNA (who, at the time, didn't have trees.)
>> It was only after getting over 100 matches that I attached a tree.=3D3D20
>> Regards,
>> Susan Bailey
>> =3D20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> =3D20
>>> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Barbara Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> wrot=
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>> =3D20
>>> =3D3D20
>>> Hal --
>>> =3D3D20
>>> David Carkeet's research on the flawed methodology used to establish DNA
>>> connections to Clemens via ancestry.com family trees was the game change=
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>> =3D20
>>> His essay on his months long research and first hand experiences in work=
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>>> with the DNA reports is online at:
>>> =3D3D20
>>> http://www.twainquotes.com/Carkeet/AncestryReport.html
> [http://www.twainquotes.com/Carkeet/TSMCover2.jpg]<http://www.twainquotes.c=
> om/Carkeet/AncestryReport.html>
> 
> David Carkeet's Report on Susan Bailey's Ancestry<http://www.twainquotes.co=
> m/Carkeet/AncestryReport.html>
> www.twainquotes.com
> Nina was a problematic personality, likeable and pitiable. Her parents clea=
> rly loved her. Ossip nicknamed her "International Monkey" for her traveling=
> life as ...
> 
> 
>>> =3D3D20
>>> In a nutshell, anyone can plug in a false or inaccurate family tree at
>>> ancestry.com after submitting a DNA test, and the ancestry.com database
>>> will generate a list of people who are also related to people in the tre=
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> 
>>> one believes is their own tree.  Just about anyone can be distantly rela=
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>>> to someone else who ties in to the Clemens family tree in some fashion i=
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>>> the family tree branches are traced back far enough.  =3D3D46rom Carkeet=
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>> ort:
>>> =3D3D20
>>> "... 'What you are seeing is the result of endogamy, intermarriage withi=
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>> =3D20
>>> population group. In the year 1700, the population of the United States =
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>>> approximately 250,000 people.' In other words, it is a small world. Or,
>>> more to the point, it was a small world, with so few people in the pocke=
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> 
>>> of immigrant history that I share with my matches that if I select a
>>> specific name from the past (in this case, with my false genealogy, an
>>> ancestor of Samuel Clemens), some match of mine from among my more than
>>> 6,000 matches will descend from that ancestor."
>>> =3D3D20
>>> Barb

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