Mallory,
Unfortunately, the forum doesn't seem to allow file attachments. I'd be
happy to provide a link for forum members to these pictures if you would
send them to me.
Regards,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mallory Howard
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara
We have the original photograph in an Onteora album in our collection. I ju=
st looked at it and it is simply labeled "Miss Susie and Clara Clemens 1890=
"
with no obvious indication of what order was meant (it was written vertical=
ly in the margin). Here is the image along with two close ups of Susy and C=
lara.=20
I have also attached an additional image of Clara. I work with these images=
quite often and I believe that Clara is the one in the white dress closest=
to the camera while Susy is farther away.=20
Mallory Howard
Assistant Curator
The Mark Twain House & Museum
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Mac Don=
nell
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara
You may not be wrong. I tried magnifying that photo in Steve's book and I'm=
still not certain. If I have time later today I'll compare it to other Cla=
ra and Susy images from about that same time (some are on loan to the Hartf=
ord exhibit, so I may not even have the ones on hand that I think I do). Th=
e published location of that larger image would be helpful. If I recall, it=
shows their faces close up and not the entire wagon.
Kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carl J. Chimi
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:08 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara
In fairness, your book's caption for the picture does not actually =3D spec=
ify which girl is which. It only identifies them as Susy and Clara, =3D in=
that order. But, given the composition of the photograph, it would =3D no=
t be a farfetched inference to draw that Suzy is the foreground girl =3D on=
the left, and Clara in the background on the right. The other book =3D th=
at published that picture (the title of which escapes me) does =3D identify=
them in that way, if I recall correctly.
And that's exactly what I suspect they ain't. It bothered me from the =3D =
first time I saw the picture in the other book.
But I'm willing to admit I'm wrong. I'm more curious as to how (short =3D =
of there being verifiable contemporaneous written identifications of =3D re=
asonable provenance) any modern person could authoritatively identify =3D t=
hose two girls as Clara and Susy, and which is which.
I guess it's these really, really small insignificant mysteries that =3D ma=
ke scholars, eh? =3DF0=3D9F=3D98=3D80=3D20
Regards,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve =3D Cou=
rtney
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara
Carl, that's in the Mark Twain House collection but I won't be there to =3D=
che=3D3D ck till next Wednesday -- I've labeled it as being one of the =3D
1890 Onteora =3D3D Park pix, and must (I hope) have had some solid basis =
=3D for doing that. Stay =3D3D tuned.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D From the wor=
k Tracy =3D Brindle (MT House Chief Curator), Mallory Howard (her p=3D3D ar=
tner in =3D
crime) and I did early this year in preparation for the "In His F=3D3D =3D =
ather's Image" exhibition at the MT House that's running currently -- an =
=3D ex=3D3D ploration of the three daughters and their lives -- I'd say alm=
ost =3D certainl=3D3D y that Clara is in the front, with the expression you=
=3D describe, and Susy --=3D3D likewise -- is in the back.=3D3D0A=3D3D =
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=3D3D Steve Courtney=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D Special Projects=3D3D0A=3D3D The Mark =
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From: Mark Twain Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Carl J. Chimi =3D [c=
chim=3D3D [log in to unmask]]=3D3D0A=3D3D
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:29 PM=3D3D0A=3D3D
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D You're certa=
inly =3D right, Barbara. I've seen many photos reproduced in=3D3D0A=3D3D re=
verse, or =3D misidentified. I didn't have this before me when I wrote the=
=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D original post, but the picture can be found in Steve=
Courtney's =3D delightful=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D book "'The Loveliest House Tha=
t Ever Was'" on =3D page 119. I've also seen it=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D in one o=
ther book I've read =3D within the last decade, but I can't remember=3D3D0A=
=3D3D which book.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D The girl I think is Clara ha=
s a slightly mischievous look about =3D her that I=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D associ=
ate with young Clara's personality. The =3D other girl has a sadness in=3D=
3D =3D3D0A=3D3D her eyes that I associate with =3D Susie, especially around=
the time of her Bry=3D3D n=3D3D0A=3D3D Mawr days; she =3D also bears a res=
emblance to pictures of the young Sam=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D Clemens.=3D3D0A=3D3D =
=3D3D0A=3D3D Carl=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D -----Original =3D Message-----=
=3D3D0A=3D3D
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =3D Barbara=
=3D3D0A=3D3D Schmidt=3D3D0A=3D3D
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:55 PM=3D3D0A=3D3D
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D Carl,=3D3D0A=
=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D I do not have that photo in front of me at the mome=
nt, but =3D from your=3D3D0A=3D3D description, I seem to recall it was take=
n at Quarry =3D Farm. I think=3D3D0A=3D3D sometimes part of the confusion =
in photo =3D identification comes when photos=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D are reprint=
ed from =3D negatives/plates and are unintentionally "reversed" or=3D3D =3D=
3D0A=3D3D =3D "flipped." Without knowing who holds the original print or n=
egative of =3D thi=3D3D s=3D3D0A=3D3D photo, it may be difficult to correct=
ly pin down the =3D person on the left or=3D3D =3D3D0A=3D3D right in the fr=
ame and then determine =3D if subsequent reprintings are=3D3D0A=3D3D identi=
fied correctly.=3D3D0A=3D3D =3D =3D3D0A=3D3D Barb=3D3D0A=3D3D=20
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