Thanks, Kevin.

I wish I could remember he title of that other book.  It seems to me that it
was a fairly recent liberally illustrated biography of Mark Twain.  I think
it also had one of the last photographs ever taken that includes Susy; that
was taken on the porch at Quarry Farm with several older friends and family.
I had never seen either photo and found both fascinating.

Steve Courtney very kindly sent me a digital copy of the wagon photo.  I
will try to find a way to share it with interested members of the forum.

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Mac
Donnell
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara

You may not be wrong. I tried magnifying that photo in Steve's book and I'm
still not certain. If I have time later today I'll compare it to other Clara
and Susy images from about that same time (some are on loan to the Hartford
exhibit, so I may not even have the ones on hand that I think I do). The
published location of that larger image would be helpful. If I recall, it
shows their faces close up and not the entire wagon.

Kevin
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carl J. Chimi
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:08 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara

In fairness, your book's caption for the picture does not actually = specify
which girl is which.  It only identifies them as Susy and Clara, = in that
order.  But, given the composition of the photograph, it would = not be a
farfetched inference to draw that Suzy is the foreground girl = on the left,
and Clara in the background on the right.  The other book = that published
that picture (the title of which escapes me) does = identify them in that
way, if I recall correctly.

And that's exactly what I suspect they ain't.  It bothered me from the =
first time I saw the picture in the other book.

But I'm willing to admit I'm wrong.  I'm more curious as to how (short = of
there being verifiable contemporaneous written identifications of =
reasonable provenance) any modern person could authoritatively identify =
those two girls as Clara and Susy, and which is which.

I guess it's these really, really small insignificant mysteries that = make
scholars, eh?  =F0=9F=98=80=20

Regards,

Carl

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve =
Courtney
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara

Carl, that's in the Mark Twain House collection but I won't be there to =
che=3D ck till next Wednesday -- I've labeled it as being one of the =
1890 Onteora =3D Park pix, and must (I hope) have had some solid basis = for
doing that. Stay =3D tuned.=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D From the work Tracy = Brindle
(MT House Chief Curator), Mallory Howard (her p=3D artner in =
crime) and I did early this year in preparation for the "In His F=3D =
ather's Image" exhibition at the MT House that's running currently -- an =
ex=3D ploration of the three daughters and their lives -- I'd say almost =
certainl=3D y that Clara is in the front, with the expression you =
describe, and Susy --=3D  likewise -- is in the back.=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D =
Best,=3D0A=3D Steve=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D Steve Courtney=3D0A=3D =
Special Projects=3D0A=3D The Mark Twain House & Museum=3D0A=3D
351 Farmington Avenue=3D0A=3D
Hartford, Connecticut 06105=3D0A=3D
860-302-8969=3D0A=3D
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From: Mark Twain Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Carl J. Chimi =
[cchim=3D [log in to unmask]]=3D0A=3D
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:29 PM=3D0A=3D
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D You're certainly =
right, Barbara. I've seen many photos reproduced in=3D0A=3D reverse, or =
misidentified.  I didn't have this before me when I wrote the=3D = =3D0A=3D
original post, but the picture can be found in Steve Courtney's =
delightful=3D =3D0A=3D book "'The Loveliest House That Ever Was'" on = page
119.  I've also seen it=3D =3D0A=3D in one other book I've read = within the
last decade, but I can't remember=3D0A=3D which book.=3D0A=3D = =3D0A=3D The
girl I think is Clara has a slightly mischievous look about = her that I=3D
=3D0A=3D associate with young Clara's personality.  The = other girl has a
sadness in=3D =3D0A=3D her eyes that I associate with = Susie, especially
around the time of her Bry=3D n=3D0A=3D Mawr days; she = also bears a
resemblance to pictures of the young Sam=3D0A=3D = Clemens.=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D
Carl=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D -----Original = Message-----=3D0A=3D
From: Mark Twain Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
Barbara=3D0A=3D Schmidt=3D0A=3D
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:55 PM=3D0A=3D
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Photo of Susie and Clara=3D0A=3D =3D0A=3D Carl,=3D0A=3D =
=3D0A=3D I do not  have that photo in front of me at the moment, but = from
your=3D0A=3D description, I seem to recall it was taken at Quarry = Farm.  I
think=3D0A=3D sometimes part of the confusion in photo = identification
comes when photos=3D =3D0A=3D are reprinted from = negatives/plates and are
unintentionally "reversed" or=3D =3D0A=3D = "flipped."  Without knowing who
holds the original print or negative of = thi=3D s=3D0A=3D photo, it may be
difficult to correctly pin down the = person on the left or=3D =3D0A=3D
right in the frame and then determine = if subsequent reprintings
are=3D0A=3D identified correctly.=3D0A=3D = =3D0A=3D Barb=3D0A=3D